how about "first stamps"?

agreed. ive even been hearing second stamp recently,which i'm told is also a version that precedes what we normally call a trans stamp.

mike

I don't think so.

When everybody finally sees four examples, each distinct, and each with its own description of the unique features for each one, then what will they do?

Call them all "first stamps"?

Mr. "first stamp" will be seen to be clueless at that point. And what in fact actually constitutes "the" first stamp will be seen for the first time.

"When everybody finally sees four examples, each distinct, and with a description of the features for each one, then what will they do?"

when will this be? what would you suggest people call them until that magical day happens?

mike

Last time I heard the magnum opus was 7 years away, but perhaps things have moved on since then. I hope so, because when a term has been established for 7 years it just gets harder to stamp ;) it out in favor of a better one.

Bill, in the information game you win when you get your information (naming, timeline, whatever) out there and used by people. If you hold it back for fear of other people "stealing it" then you lose because somebody else will get their information out there and it will get used -- no matter how accurate it may be. And the whole community loses as well because none of us have access to reliable information which is properly documented and based on best practice analysis. So the current strategy is "lose" "lose". This is where we are at for now.

If the issue is Intellectual Property rights and finding a business model to pay for the cost of your work, then the best thing you can do is place copyright (or copyleft or various other strictures) on what you place on the web. Yes, people may "use" it without giving proper acknowledgement. But if you have the original to point to and it is clearly dated and has whatever protections you wanted placed on it, this is the best you can do.

Putting your K Zildjian Istanbul work in The Gretsch Book (copyright to you) is a great start (and a great piece of work), but the Avedis stuff remains a quagmire. And what are you going to do when you find scans of your two pages in The Gretsch Book floating around the web? Any remedies you have there are the same as you would have if you put something online with the same protections.

If you never publish it, or worse "unpublish" it then you lose priority for your work and you have no comeback other than snide comments about people "stealing" your work. If it isn't possible for people to give proper references to your work then you can't really complain that they aren't giving proper references. If you don't give out the terms people should be using then you can't really complain about them not using the correct terms.

You can fold your arms and rail against the modern world (or me for pointing it out) but the world is as it is.

Some of its out already, ie. the K. Zildjian part. But I'm not revealing the crown j-e-w-els of this research project yet. Check out the back the Rob Cook's "Gretsch Book". That's as much as you'll get for now.

Only when the time is right. I don't think that the drumming world is quite ready for information as groundbreaking as this quite yet. So until then, I will continue on as the sole possessor of this esoteric body of knowledge.

I just added my paragraph praising you for putting in those two pages at the same time you wrote telling me to have a look at them. I bought the whole book just for pages 250-251.

It already is. This timeline was posted on Cymbalholic in the early 2000's and so most of those who are interested in the K. side of things pretty much already have them. I don't think there's anything being given away there. And the fact that I've been given credit in the book for that timeline is an important step in establishing ownership, so I allowed Rob to use it in his book. But the new information that has since been compiled on the Avedis side is much greater, and wasn't known when that timeline was posted on Cymbalholic.

Well, they can't really call them anything for the time being. Everybody first has to have a way to recognize them; like a description, preferably including a photo example of each type, right?

But as to how your question would apply concerning this ambiguous catch all designation of, "first stamp" in the meantime...

How about about substituting the term "first suppository"? That way everyone will be constantly reminded of exactly what it's good for?

Yes, that it!