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Zildjian Avedis 24" Dark Ride (60s)

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Any ideas about valuation? Notice the keyhole. I'm more interested in buying a nice cymbal that sounds good than a collector's item/investment, so I'm going to listen to it first. He's asking for $250.

Thanks for the help.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Value for 24's depends almost entirely on the weight. 2800 grams and less, and they push $1000 because of the Brian Blade connection. 2800 - 3200 grams and you're in the $500 range. Over 3200 grams, maybe $350 range.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Cool, thanks. A couple more questions:

1) Do those prices stand for cymbals with keyholes? Do keyholes really matter? I have not found that cymbals with keyholes necessarily sound worse (they I avoid them on my own cymbals, of course).

2) What is a way to weigh cymbals, especially in grams?

Again, overall, I'm looking at this cymbal for its sound rather than price, but it's good to know I may get a good deal.

Posted on 15 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Omigosh, no....no offense, Vibes...but IMHO, your pricetags for the used market are way, way, way too high. new, perhaps, but no way does the market these days sustain those sorta dollar figures.

A 24" at a good weight, medium to medium-light is worth maybe $700. A heavy, maybe $300-ish.

The only sorta 24" which would fetch over $1g would be something like a very sweet old Trans-stamp Avedis...and honestly, I really doubt even that would get more than $800 or so.

Oatmeal...the stamp pic is very dark...does the stamp read 'Constantinople' anywhere, or not ?

It looks to be a USA Constantinople brilliant...made only for about 4-5 years in the late 60's-early 70's. If that's what it is, it's an interesting rock ride, I used to have one. It may fetch about $200-250 not much more than that.

I would say $250 is an eFlay price, a C'list price is more like $200-220.....

...the keyhole does hurt the market value by about $50, IMHO. If it was perfect, it might make $275-300.

But, with that I add, a keyholed cymbal can be an awesome buy because nowadays, keyholes becoming worse is a non-issue given plastic cymbal sleeves and such...Zero effect on sound. The only thing you wanna make sure is that there's no crack forming at the keyhole.....

Ask the seller to take the cymbal to a UPS or post office and use their scale. Knowing the weight is pretty important if you are selling/buying....but then again, if you can playtest it, the weight really doesn't matter.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Jaye, no offense taken. I watch ebay all day, every day, and was just going by where I see items end.

This statement I can agree with, and is basically in line with what I said: "A 24" at a good weight, medium to medium-light is worth maybe $700. A heavy, maybe $300-ish." Although I think your estimate for a medium to medium-light is a bit high. This 3400 gram 24, which I consider to be medium-heavy sold fairly quickly at $385: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-A-Zildjian-Sweet-24-Ride-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ300351444793

In the past 2 years, I've seen at least 4 24" A Zildjians that were under 2800 grams sell for $1000 or more, all from the 60's and 70's. The trans stamps don't go that high, unless they're really thin. Brian Blade's main 24" ride is a 70's 24" crash, and many drummers are chasing that sound. Ebay user grandpa79 sold a 60's 24" A at 2650 grams for $1400 buy it now a few months ago, and it was sold very quickly.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Awesome, thanks for the help. No, I'm not sure what it says on the cymbal. I'll ask him for a closer pic.

Any idea why this guy thinks it's a dark ride? It doesn't look dark at all to me.

Thanks again for the prices. I'll also check on the cracks.

I'm mainly looking for another, larger ride that is versatile and smoky. No two cymbals sounds alike, so I'm willing to put in the work to find it.

Posted on 15 years ago
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That's not a Constantinople, it's a standard 60's Avedis that looks to have been polished. Who knows why they called it a dark ride...that wasn't a Zildjian model at the time.

http://www.classicvintagedrums.com
Posted on 15 years ago
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It's about 4300 grams, so it's definitely a heavy one. Any other words of advice?

Thanks again.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Holy smokes that's a monster! That goes beyond "heavy" and into "extra heavy." Did you get a chance to hear it? I definitely wouldn't pay more than $300...try to get it for $200 or less if you can.

http://www.classicvintagedrums.com
Posted on 15 years ago
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From oatmealeater

It's about 4300 grams, so it's definitely a heavy one. Any other words of advice?

I have just 4 words of advice....

Forget about that one.

Posted on 15 years ago
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