Folks can anyone please advice me?
This is not a real Spizzichino, I know, but it looks like a B20 and may be a good cymbal....
Can anybody tell me something about this cymbal.
Somebody wants to sell this or trade it for something else. I'm interested but I want to know a bit before reacting.
European market.
From Pinsterboer, The Cymbal Book p167:
In early 1991 Bespeco allowed Spizzichino to work on B20 cymbals again. As he felt that the name Spizz was too much associated wiith the non-professional B8 cymbals that he made for Bespeco, he named his professional series Antique, Bygone Sound. At the 1992 Frankfurt Music Fair these series were introduced in two versions. The Red labelled series were exclusively hand-hammered and only available in thin weights. "The sound jazz drummers are after," according to Spizz. The Black labelled series were machine-hammered in irregular patterns, and available in different weights.
Is it possible that is one of the machine hammered black label ones? There isn't an image of this ink in The Cymbal Book and I've never seen one before. Your attached picture isn't good enough for me to tell but does that say
The Bygone Sound
Antique
as the title suggests?
As to price, I haven't got any data for anything except real Roberto Spizzichino cymbals.
Yes it sais:
The Bygone Sound
Antique
In black
So it should be machine hammered.
Could you give a rough estimate of the value?
Fantastic find. Never saw one of those.
As I said I have no data on sales of these so I can't really say much. For Roberto Spizzichino's later work his cymbals now sell in the same price range as New or Intermediate old Ks (I gave a link to this in my earlier post). But these? Machine hammered ones? I don't know.
There is the historical interest collectable factor.
Then there is the intrinsic value as a B20 cymbal. If we look to machine hammered Avedis Zildjian 22" cymbals as a guide to pricing we're talking $150-$250 in the USA.
Avedis prices ref: http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html#22
Then there is how nice it sounds. That could easily double the price.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Ok, Zenstat, I thank you a lot. I canwork with this. Thanx.
Since reading Pink's book back in the early 1990s, and visiting with Roberto a couple of times, I've always wanted to see one of those "Bygone Sound" cymbals, but never have. Great find!
Why wouldn't this be considered a Spizzichino?
Since reading Pink's book back in the early 1990s, and visiting with Roberto a couple of times, I've always wanted to see one of those "Bygone Sound" cymbals, but never have. Great find!Why wouldn't this be considered a Spizzichino?
I'd prefer to call it a Bespeco Spizzichino since Roberto wasn't out on his own doing his Cymbal Factory production under his own name. But that doesn't make it "not a Spizzichino". When I had my link saying "real Spizzichino" I guess I would have been better saying something like "Roberto Spizzichino Cymbal Factory". I guess I was thinking of the other Bespeco Spizz cymbals like the Three and Four series when I was thinking "unreal".
I've heard from the Spizzichino family that somebody is working on a book about Don Roberto and hopefully that will help with the history as well as the terminology.
Probably by wednesday I'll be trading it for one of my custom snares. Nice deal for both of us.
Great news, Bart. If possible I'd love to have some better pictures of it.
