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What is this vintage Ludwig strainer called?

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Is there a name for this strainer on a Ludwig 1929 Pioneer snare?

I have another old Ludwig snare from the 1920's that is missing the strainer entirely along with the butt plate. This one is mahogany.

I bet it would be a nice sounding drum if I could collect all the pieces.

thanks

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1971 Ludwig Rock Duo set in Blue Oyster Pearl
early Mapex dual bass drum Saturn kit
1964 Leedy Ray  Mosca kit in Blue Sparkle
1959 Slingerland Super Gene Krupa snare in WMP
1968 Slingerland Hollywood Ace Snare Drum
1969 and 1977 Ludwig 400 Supraphonic snares
1965 Acrolite snare
Ludwig Coliseum snare
'68 Rogers Dynasonic snare
Pearl free floating piccolo snare
13" Mapex piccolo snare
6.5" deep Mapex steel snare
Mapex 6.5" Brass snare
I know there's more snares than that.
UFIP cymbals / Avedis Zildjians
Ghost pedals or Tama King Beats
you kids get off my lawn

 

Posted on 3 years ago
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Looks like a Ludwig P-84

Posted on 3 years ago
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Vintage Drum Guide indicates it is a Pioneer.

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Posted on 3 years ago
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I would like to see pictures of the wood snare.

Posted on 3 years ago
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From Dan Boucher

Vintage Drum Guide indicates it is a Pioneer.

Thanks Dan. I was on the VDG but didn't dig deep enough. I found my snare drums in there but didn't get into the drum hardware section.


1971 Ludwig Rock Duo set in Blue Oyster Pearl
early Mapex dual bass drum Saturn kit
1964 Leedy Ray  Mosca kit in Blue Sparkle
1959 Slingerland Super Gene Krupa snare in WMP
1968 Slingerland Hollywood Ace Snare Drum
1969 and 1977 Ludwig 400 Supraphonic snares
1965 Acrolite snare
Ludwig Coliseum snare
'68 Rogers Dynasonic snare
Pearl free floating piccolo snare
13" Mapex piccolo snare
6.5" deep Mapex steel snare
Mapex 6.5" Brass snare
I know there's more snares than that.
UFIP cymbals / Avedis Zildjians
Ghost pedals or Tama King Beats
you kids get off my lawn

 

Posted on 3 years ago
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From Dudley

I would like to see pictures of the wood snare.

From what I have found it is 1923-ish. It has the gold Ludwig and Ludwig badge. It has a 15" mahogany shell. There are some extra holes in the shell and the top rim that Mike thought were for a marching harness.

The top calfskin head looks decent, the bottom one is horked.

Hopefully the picture is right side up when it uploads

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1971 Ludwig Rock Duo set in Blue Oyster Pearl
early Mapex dual bass drum Saturn kit
1964 Leedy Ray  Mosca kit in Blue Sparkle
1959 Slingerland Super Gene Krupa snare in WMP
1968 Slingerland Hollywood Ace Snare Drum
1969 and 1977 Ludwig 400 Supraphonic snares
1965 Acrolite snare
Ludwig Coliseum snare
'68 Rogers Dynasonic snare
Pearl free floating piccolo snare
13" Mapex piccolo snare
6.5" deep Mapex steel snare
Mapex 6.5" Brass snare
I know there's more snares than that.
UFIP cymbals / Avedis Zildjians
Ghost pedals or Tama King Beats
you kids get off my lawn

 

Posted on 3 years ago
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From Olimpass

Looks like a Ludwig P-84

There is a P-84 on Reverb that looks like it.

THANKS!


1971 Ludwig Rock Duo set in Blue Oyster Pearl
early Mapex dual bass drum Saturn kit
1964 Leedy Ray  Mosca kit in Blue Sparkle
1959 Slingerland Super Gene Krupa snare in WMP
1968 Slingerland Hollywood Ace Snare Drum
1969 and 1977 Ludwig 400 Supraphonic snares
1965 Acrolite snare
Ludwig Coliseum snare
'68 Rogers Dynasonic snare
Pearl free floating piccolo snare
13" Mapex piccolo snare
6.5" deep Mapex steel snare
Mapex 6.5" Brass snare
I know there's more snares than that.
UFIP cymbals / Avedis Zildjians
Ghost pedals or Tama King Beats
you kids get off my lawn

 

Posted on 3 years ago
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From rastus

From what I have found it is 1923-ish. It has the gold Ludwig and Ludwig badge. It has a 15" mahogany shell. There are some extra holes in the shell and the top rim that Mike thought were for a marching harness.The top calfskin head looks decent, the bottom one is horked.Hopefully the picture is right side up when it uploads

When I enlarge the photo it no longer is hanging on the ceiling.Yes Sir

Thank you for posting a picture. Enjoyed seeing it.

Posted on 3 years ago
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How popular were the 15" shells and were they issued for a specific purpose, say, orchestral work? I had a 20's era Ludwig metal snare back in the 90's and nobody seemed interested except one local collector who was willing to make a run and buy me a very rusty BDP Dynasonic in trade. I think the asking price on the Dyna was $400 at the time. My wife had found the Ludwig at a yard sale for $2, so the trade worked out nicely. I have no idea what he eventually paid for the Dyna but we were both happy after the transactions. I had to buy a metal Dyna to donate the nice chrome to the BDP. Paid $100 or so for the metal one and was still able to get $75 on the resale with the rusted stuff on it. I bought it at one Daddy's Junky Music and sold it back in at another. Cool1

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Daddy's Junky Music is a name that I haven't heard in several years. As a long-time manufacturer's representative in the musical instrument business, I had a word for stores and regional chains like Daddy's Junky Music. I labeled them as the "We used to be the big guys" stores. Most of those stores and regional chains were famous/infamous for a few things. They were discounters when most mom and pop stores did not discount. They stared the catalog and toll-free telephone sales segment of the business that took away sales from smaller stores. Their aggressive discounting and increased cost of doing business made them more vulnerable to the onslaught of the mega chain big box stores. Sam Ash seems to be the only once-local chain of stores that adapted to the changes in retailing, and managed to expand rather than fold.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
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