I have a 16" and a 19" paiste 2002 black prototype crash. The cymbals are actually all black with white lettering. They are in like new condition. They were made in 2008. Let me know. My e mail is [email]deanodaddy@hotmail.com[/email]. Ilike sabians a lot like aa or aax. Some zildians are nice also like avedis .