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Unbadged Vintage Ludwigs...

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Hi guys,

I've been restoring an old Classic kit over the past few months that were seemingly cannibalized years back. I got the shells, sans most of the hardware, for dirt cheap and have been buying parts as I see them pop up. Thankfully, they're in great shape, but someone took off the badges long ago...

I was originally planning to keep this kit for my studio, but I'm REALLY enjoying my Yamahas and I don't really have the space for both at the moment... I had originally not planned on buying any badges for the set, as $20-35 a piece for a part that in no way affects the sound or usability is a little silly. However, now that I'm considering selling them, I'm curious to how much not having those badges is going to affect the value of it?

Mostly, my dillemma is that I don't want to misrepresent the kit in anyway. Obviously, I'd be upfront about the badges being replacements, but will most buyers be turned off by this? What options do I have?

4-piece Yamaha Oak Custom
4-piece Vintage Ludwig Classic
14x6.5" Ludwig Supraphonic
14x8" M4 Drum Co. Walnut/Maple Stave
14x5" Ludwig Blacrolite
13x6.5" & 12x6" Yamaha Musashi
13x6" Addiction Drums Vented Segmented Oak
20" Meinl Byzance Traditional Heavy Ride
18" Paiste Signature Heavy China
17" Zildjian K Custom Fast Crash
16" Sabian Artisan Crash
13.25" Zildjian K Custom Hybrid Hats
12" Sabian AAX China / 10" Saluda Mist Splash stack


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Posted on 10 years ago
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It would not bother me, if you going to sell them please send me a PM. I would be interested in them if they are 3ply Ludwig shells. I dont care if they have badges.


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 10 years ago
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Here's a pic (few weeks old, before I finished the rack toms):

[IMG]https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1920178_758794797464679_1999433702_n.jpg[/IMG]

The set is now nearly complete, just waiting on the vintage t-rods I bought to come in, plus the double tom post.

The two rack toms (not pictured) are 6-ply with re-rings and clear interiors, which I bought after getting the bass and floor tom, which are 3-ply with re-rings and granitone interiors.

Legs and mounts on the floor tom, claws on the bass drum and the spur mount and spurs are brand new, everything else is vintage. No extra holes have been drilled on any of the shells.

P.S. No - the pinstripes aren't staying on them, I just thought they sounded cool with them as "concert-style" drums. They now have some nice coated Aquarians with thin resos ;)

4-piece Yamaha Oak Custom
4-piece Vintage Ludwig Classic
14x6.5" Ludwig Supraphonic
14x8" M4 Drum Co. Walnut/Maple Stave
14x5" Ludwig Blacrolite
13x6.5" & 12x6" Yamaha Musashi
13x6" Addiction Drums Vented Segmented Oak
20" Meinl Byzance Traditional Heavy Ride
18" Paiste Signature Heavy China
17" Zildjian K Custom Fast Crash
16" Sabian Artisan Crash
13.25" Zildjian K Custom Hybrid Hats
12" Sabian AAX China / 10" Saluda Mist Splash stack


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Posted on 10 years ago
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I have a very nice 13" LUD GS shell here still I think.....

That would complete your drumset!

GS is somewhat hard to find too....

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 10 years ago
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Looks like brand new spurs and floor tom legs/brackets...

These look pretty good to me. IMO, they would probably sell faster if you were to purchase reproduction badges, but may not bring any more money than what you would get selling to someone who appreciates them!

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 10 years ago
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From blairndrums

I have a very nice 13" LUD GS shell here still I think.....That would complete your drumset!GS is somewhat hard to find too....

Already have a 12" and a 13" to complete the set, just didn't have them when this pic was taken ;)

From billnvick

Looks like brand new spurs and floor tom legs/brackets...These look pretty good to me. IMO, they would probably sell faster if you were to purchase reproduction badges, but may not bring any more money than what you would get selling to someone who appreciates them!

Yep, the spurs and legs/brackets are brand new, as are the claws (all Ludwig, though). Price on new pieces were about the same, or even lower, than vintage and this way, I knew they would be solid for years to come.

You'd purchase reproductions over actual vintage badges? From my searches on eBay, they look to be around the same price, either way, but I'm conflicted about putting real badges on there, with a serial number that's not actually matched to the drum. At the same time - I'm also conflicted about buying reproduction badges, which are technically made illegally :P

4-piece Yamaha Oak Custom
4-piece Vintage Ludwig Classic
14x6.5" Ludwig Supraphonic
14x8" M4 Drum Co. Walnut/Maple Stave
14x5" Ludwig Blacrolite
13x6.5" & 12x6" Yamaha Musashi
13x6" Addiction Drums Vented Segmented Oak
20" Meinl Byzance Traditional Heavy Ride
18" Paiste Signature Heavy China
17" Zildjian K Custom Fast Crash
16" Sabian Artisan Crash
13.25" Zildjian K Custom Hybrid Hats
12" Sabian AAX China / 10" Saluda Mist Splash stack


My Classified References
Posted on 10 years ago
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From MatrixClaw

You'd purchase reproductions over actual vintage badges? From my searches on eBay, they look to be around the same price, either way, but I'm conflicted about putting real badges on there, with a serial number that's not actually matched to the drum. At the same time - I'm also conflicted about buying reproduction badges, which are technically made illegally :P

I've been in the same boat, so to speak. And have done it both ways. The last kit I did I had some badges that were period correct (rounded corner B/O badges on a late 70s kit) that weren't in the greatest overall shape (a few scratches and dings), but it did seem to make the "refurbished" and rewrapped kit a little more "authentic."

One thing about yours... there was a period of time when Ludwig did not put serial numbers on the badges. I think (without double-checking the charts and books) that coincides with part of the granitone interiors run in the early 70s. So on this kit, the repros might work out fine, as will the "new" classic hardware you've added.

That's one thing I really like about Ludwig! They've brought back a lot of their older hardware that has the look and feel of the vintage stuff, but in most cases, better!

Good looking set... I hope to see completed pics!

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 10 years ago
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