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UFIP Hats

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Had my phone out taking photos for another post and thought I'd share these old hats I have while I'm at it. I've had these since the late 70's ... came to me thru my dad who got them along with a used EW Kent 60's kit (it's long gone). I don't know anything on their history prior to that. I have never really liked the way they sound ... too thick for the 12" size in my opinion.

I'm not 100% sure they were intended to be hi hats ... but they came to us on a hi hat stand :) ... one is heavier than the other like most hats are, and only one is stamped. The Made in Italy ink stamp is identical on both cymbals ... the a,d and i are faint on both ... like they didn't quite get enough ink on the stamp or the stamp had something going on with it ... just interesting.

Anyway ... just wanted to share since I have not seen anything quite like these ... size and the hollow block logo. Maybe someone knows more about them, or maybe this will help fill in some blanks for someone else.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Nice. 12" hats, huh? Seems like I've seen older UFIP hats that were thicker like yours, all the way down to paper-thin. If not for yours, I'm sure they would magical for SOMEONE's musical needs.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Nice. Those don't show much hi hat wear on the underside, so you may not be the only person who didn't care for them as hi hats.

There is a square ink Made in Italy stamp shown on here:

http://robscott.net/cymbals/italian-cymbals/

The engraved UFiP stamp on those looks like the one on my modern Experience series hats. Which surprises me a bit because I didn't think that style of engraved logo went back that far in time. Most of the ones I've seen from that era also have Ritmo as part of the engraving.

Rob Scott's UFiP page doesn't help much with a chronology (or even an ordering) for many of the engraved stamps I've seen. But it's nice to at least have some web page devoted to older UFiP cymbals. They just don't seem to have that much presence (other than new ones) on the web.

There is a 1970s UFiP catalog in French here http://www.drumarchive.com/Ufip/

and I can't help wondering if those are Clangs rather than Hats (from page 9)

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2013/UFiPClang.jpg[/img]

but I've never heard of Clangs before now and the catalog doesn't tell me what size and weight they are. But "Clang" is what I think of when I imagine heavy 12" cymbals. I just liked the name. :D

Posted on 11 years ago
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Great info Z ... my itallian is a little rusty (so bad that the catalog looks to be in french to me:)) but still some great photos/information.

One thing I mis-stated in my original post ... upon closer inspection (looking for the Ritmo you said was often along with that stamp) I noticed that both cymbals are stamped ... one is just very faint ... and definitely no Ritmo.

So if they really are "Clangs" all I have to do is find one more, and that bizare candle-holder looking stand and I'll have a complete set ... that I still won't like the sound of!!!Cool Dude

Posted on 11 years ago
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I have a pair of Zanki Vibra 12" hats, likely to be of around the same age, that I really like - as much as I like 12" hats, which is not too much and if, then mainly for their ability to not make too much noise when recording. Nice for the snare sound!

[img]http://www.gratisimage.dk/thumb-9B0A_514B22B2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.gratisimage.dk/thumb-A950_514B22B2.jpg[/img]

Acoustically, they are too short.

But these feels thin, compared to the 12" Zildjian A Special Recording hats I had for a while. They felt stiff and too thick.

What weight are your UFIPS?

Regards

Jon

Posted on 11 years ago
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Hi Jon ... I don't have a way to weigh them at home ... I guess that means a trip to the post office to borrow their scale ... I should be able to get there on Monday and I'll let you know.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Hi Jon ... I don't have a way to weigh them at home ... I guess that means a trip to the post office to borrow their scale ... I should be able to get there on Monday and I'll let you know.

Did you ever get those cymbals on a scale?

Posted on 11 years ago
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