That would be great. I'm always a starter for nice UFiP pics.

Two gnarly old 20" rides

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2012/ufip4.jpg[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2012/ufip5.jpg[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2012/ufip6.jpg[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2012/ufip7.jpg[/img]

and showing the umbrella profile and very steep sided bell of the lightest one (1675g):

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2012/UFiP1675gEdge.jpg[/img]

The lighter one (shown in profile above) is the one with the rivet holes.

The two together sound like this:

http://black.net.nz/cym2012/twofips.mp3

The second one is fairly metallic sounding, but also has an incredibly thin edge which opens up easily as a crash. That second one is 1725g. Great left side ride and nice contrast to the lower pitched one. These are old. Maybe 1950s (the old pyramid stamp with the "made in italy" die stamped in underneath). But I've never been sure of the decade. They certainly aren't like my other 20" ride which has the pyramid stamp but no "made in italy" die stamped underneath. That's more like the one pictured at the start of this thread. It doesn't show the same hand hammer work on it, but it's pre Ritmo.

So you can see why I'm always keen to learn more about these wonderful old cymbals I've got.

Not to hijack this, but I happen to have a vintage UFIP ride I'm selling 20" and I'll make you a deal.

Thanks for the offer, but I've got a full house with the 3 x 20" rides I've got now.

But I would be curious about what era they are from. Pyramid? Standard? Ritmo? I'm always keen to learn more.

Meanwhile, I finally found the quote from Pinksterboer (p200) in the book's timeline

Which would put the origins of rotocasting cymbals back to 1963-ish. But I don't see any evidence of rotocasting going back further than that into say the 1950s. Pinksterboer mentions elsewhere that Zanchi and UFiP remained friends and that Zanchi were doing their casting at UFiP (p 173). It is all a little bit frustrating because what is written is slightly ambiguous in terms of just who was doing what when.

I looked for the patent on rotocasting (around 1977) but don't find anything.

There's a picture collage on the last page of that French catalog that shows a man seemingly pouring hot bronze through a hole in the same way as is seen in their video showing the centrifuge casting. It's looks like a cup at the end of a pole that looks to be about a meter in length.

[SIZE="3"]Vintage UFIP 10" splash[/SIZE]

Unfortunately, I'm not sure these photos really show off the rippled bell of this pie that can be seen in person. I no longer have it so I can't take any other shots.