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True vintage cymbal find...

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Wow...

A lil excited here...

Picked up a old mij kit (cheap) and it came with a lot of cymbals & a surprise ...

The kit..? 18" bass 14" Flr and a 12" with Gretsch lugs and die cast hoop..!

The hardware was average except the 50s Ludwig hat std...

The cymbals...

Zildjian..

1930s (USA) 11 1/4" paper thin splash at 255g

Late 40s Trans stamp 11 1/2" at 263g

Late 40s Trans stamp 14" at 700g

Super Zyn made in England at 14" at 855g

Info on the Super Zyn would be helpful..

Also a old UFIP 16"......looks like copper..?

Pic below is a 11 1/4" 1930s splash

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Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Cymbal of the 11 1/2" trans stamp splash

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Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Pic of the 14" trans stamp..

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Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Pic of super Zyn 14"

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Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
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As it happens we're having a special on Zyn at the moment. This thread has some super info. And it contains links to threads which contain links...

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=46579

As far as the UFiP goes, I'm not sure what "looks like copper" might imply about the composition. B20 is 80% copper and 20% tin. B8 is 92% copper and 8% tin. So there's going to be mostly copper involved in any bronze cymbals.

Does it have either a pressed in die stamp staying UFiP or an ink logo which says so?

This thread:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=35629

links back to this thread:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=33679

which shows some of the cymbal styles and die stamps.

I've been collecting up bits of info in a file on the way to putting together a timeline. But I haven't drawn it all together yet. And I certainly haven't identified all the conflicting information and come to some conclusions about the quality of the evidence supporting the different claims. All of which is by way of saying I've got more info than just in those threads I linked to, and I've got more photos of different die stamps and ink styles as well. So if you can post pictures of yours, I'm happy to see what I've got on file.

Note, I started out on this because I found RobScott

http://robscott.net/cymbals/italian-cymbals/

quite incomplete, and decided we could do better. RobScott sometimes gives the years a company was operating, but it isn't the sort of timeline which shows how the die stamp and ink patterns changed over time.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Thxs again..

Thé ufip is stamped...(uFip)

Lathing isnt anything near a zildjian...nor thé coloring...looks very much like a penny..

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
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