Agreed. I did say " presumably at Sonor " because I have never seen an A. Zildjian cymbal also stamped Sonor. Has anyone; reading this? I do have a very nice Sonor Tosco. The letters for both words are identical and form two semi-circles above and below. There is also the double mallet Sonor logo ,off to the side in the same type of stamp. This is an 1180gm. 16"(15 7/8), probably dating from the 80's. Tosco was an unusual company in Italy, because they did not rotocast, a technique, which had become common, by the time Tosco was formed. I think this one predates, Sabians involvement.

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/1930s%20Premier%20Foreign.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/1930s%20Premier%20non%20forien.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/websize/Premier%20K.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/Copy%20of%20K%20Const%20Premier.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/large/Avedis%20foreign.jpg[/img]

Calfskin said the cymbals sold with Trixon kits were stamped Trixon, while the Zildjians sold in shops were not. It makes more sense to me this would be done as orders came in to Trixon.

Companies like Premier have substantial tooling of their own. The pics would lead me to believe Premier stamped them.

I don't think there is any doubt that Premier was given the right to stamp both the K and A cymbals in this case, especially because one of the Premier stamps overlaps the previous stamp from the factory. One of the things about the Trixon stamp on the A Zildjian cymbals is it sometimes conforms to the depth of the impression (edge to centre) of the Zildjian stamp. Stamping is pretty easy to do, ---it could be done by the floor sweeper with a mallet and a die; between major cleanups. My only real point was that Trixon distributed the cymbals for Germany ,so, that means that a music store that sold Zildjian cymbals but did not sell Trixon drums would get cymbals without the Trixon stamp and those shops that also sold Trixon drums would get Trixon stamped cymbals to include with the drums if so ordered. It might have made more sense to stamp them in the Trixon factory for that purpose----it might have all come down to the contract between the two companies. I have seen the Trixon stamp both below and above the Zildjian stamp and at varying distances from it , so that might mean a more hands on and cruder stamping ; after the fact.