Today after playing at a senior place,a couple wanted to show me an old cymbal that the guys dad used back in the day in Santa Cruz.The dad played in a band in WW1 !!!This is all that's left of the set of drums.Damn if the cymbal says"Contstantinopel" and Zildjain.No more no less just a little Arabic .Nothing like the new stamps. Its a 16" and heavy and in very good shape.They just have it sitting in a corner for now.None of the grandkids are interested in it.So I called dibs. When they want to get rid of it,I offered to buy it. Interesting bit of history I held in my hands today