Thanks. I'm trying to teach people how to fish for themselves. Drumaholic seems to want to just hand people a fish (when they ask him nicely to identify a cymbal) but keep the fishing rod all to himself. Just a few clarifications for future readers: Drumaholic claimed to be able to diagnose a 1954 die stamp from the stamp alone (and not by the height). I can't say whether he really can because he won't present his evidence or answer questions. And I don't know if he has changed his mind about his interpretation since then. Time has passed. It's relatively easy to distinguish a cymbal which has the right hammering characteristics. Only the die stamp is at issue. I've documented the right hammering characteristics on cymbals with stamps at two different heights, so there isn't just one "1954" die stamp. The "quirks" turn up on some perfectly plain Jane 1960s cymbals suggesting that they aren't a diagnostic difference between the "1954" and the 1960s. The hammering is a diagnostic difference.