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So I'm at my weekly jazz gig (acoustic piano trio)...but the regular acoustic bass player was in Portugal at the jazz festival in Lisbon, so I called another guy to come in and he plays electric bass. And I mean this guy is burning! He doesn't overplay. He plays low, funky notes and always comes up with a cool pattern to play...etc.

In the audience is another bass player -everyone knows him and he's always running his mouth because he's usually been drinking (too much)...you know the type. Anyway, we take a break and he comes up and starts yacking to the pianist about how he wants to sit in on a couple of tunes. Then he goes to the bass player who I hired and starts yacking to him. The LAST person he approaches is me because I have the tendency to flat-out refuse to allow people to sit in and he knows it. But....the drunk guy is a friend of the piano player and blah, blah, blah. Okay, let him sit in on a couple tunes.

As he's getting ready to play, he starts talking about how he just played a gig with "so and so" and he is going into the studio to record with "so and so"....He puts on the bass and starts raking his fingers across the strings, goofing around and just being annoying. Meanwhile, I'm just sitting there saying nothing and waiting for him to get settled.

We call a tune and he starts playing...It's all over the place. His time is shot. His technique is nowhere. He's too loud. when his solo comes up, he wants to play extra choruses. It was a nightmare.

Then when it was finally all over and it was the end of the night, we are waiting to get our checks and the drunk bass player guy is still there talking crap to anyone who will listen. I'm trying to avoid him, but he comes up to me and says thanks for allowing him to sit in. Then, almost automatically without a hitch, I say, "You know, man, I don't know how anyone can come in and hear a bass player like (the sub I hired) and even want to sit in and play. If I were a bass player, I'd just want to sit and listen." He just stood there, dumbfounded. Then he apologized. At least that was good. I kinda felt bad, but it was more that I was ashamed of him being a musician and acting like a drunk on my gig. I don't expect to see him for a long, long time.

I never go to anyone's gigs and walk in twirling my drum sticks. Even when people ask me to sit in, I usually say no thank you. Sometimes, I just want to make the scene and listen from the back of the room.

Why is it that the people who tell everyone that they can play, usually can't?

And why do drunk people want to even attempt to play music? Alcohol is well known to impair motor skills. So how is it illegal to drive a car when drunk but it's okay to drive a band? (I ask rhetorically because I know that alcohol impairs people's judgement.)

Lesson to all: If you've been drinking and you see a band and start to think that it would be fun to sit in....then you're too drunk. Call a taxi.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I've sat in on a few occasions, but only when I am ASKED... I would never think of asking. Regardless of talent level its just effing rude. You aren't part of the band, you weren't asked to play what makes you think you should play?

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I'll sit in, but ONLY if asked and ONLY if I'm intimately familiar with the tune. I'd prefer to be asked by the drummer or at least know first-hand that the drummer is OK with it.

My band will only allow a sit-in if all of the musicians know (and agree to) the guest. We learned the hard way last year:

A harmonica player ('nuff said) asked to sit in. No one knew him, but it was our first time at this club and we thought it would foster goodwill, so we allowed it, and he was fine.

The problem was another harp player, who made the legitimate argument that "you let that guy do it." So we let him up and he was terrible (and drunk), and we ended the song as soon as we could. He took offense, and it required a few people to gently ease him off the stage. But he wasn't kicked out until about 15 minutes later because he insisted on whistling loudly through the rest of the set. He was actually a better whistler than a harmonica player, but it was very annoying.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I am not a gigging musician so I can't speak to sitting in, but I was at a Jim Riley clinic and he's in the middle of a song and this guy on the front row takes out his harmonica and starts playing along. I'm new to the music scene so I have to ask. Was that rude behaviour or is that normal? seemed rude to me. Jim Riley just kept playing along as if nothing was unusual, although he mostly drowned out the guys playing.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Very rude..

was he playing a 12 bar blues,while Jim was playing be-bop jazz?

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Yes, I agree that being invited ahead of time is fine. What I'm talking about are the "drop ins" who come into a gig after they've been drinking too much and start making all the "I'm a musician, too" signals. That alcohol makes them think, "I'll show these guys what I can do..." and they almost act as if they are doing the audience and the band a favor to sit in. In reality, they sukk.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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From O-Lugs

Yes, I agree that being invited ahead of time is fine. What I'm talking about are the "drop ins" who come into a gig after they've been drinking too much and start making all the "I'm a musician, too" signals. That alcohol makes them think, "I'll show these guys what I can do..." and they almost act as if they are doing the audience and the band a favor to sit in. In reality, they sukk.

So, you've seen me play. (I couldn't resist.) Agree to all. Annoying tendencies. (Good name for a band?) Friggin' bass players. :eek:

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I have two sit-in stories.

Story One- I quit a band in a quite acrymonious (sp?) manner. I was the frontman, and I couldn't stand that the bass player was making EVERY musical decision for the band, including picking songs that were over the abilities of the band members in many cases (including the bass player). In the end, we split and it was ugly.

Fast forward to six months later, I walked into a bar where they were playing. I had no idea that they were playing. I was picked out of the small crowd, then I got called onto stage to sing my LEAST favourite song of my old band's set. Let's just say I got the nyucks that evening!!!! I remembered every X-rated lyric I made up for that lame song!!!! Bass player guy and I nearly came to blows during that fiasco...

Story two- I went to check out this country band an old friend of mine was in. I was talked up as "great, kick-a**" drummer by the bass player in this country band. This was NOT good, as I NEVER played country in my life. Then the lead guitar player ASKED me to sit in on a tune or two. Oh boy...

Needless to say, since I play left-handed, I could EASILY decline this invitation, saving face for me and keeping the bass player's job.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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From O-Lugs

And why do drunk people want to even attempt to play music? Alcohol is well known to impair motor skills. So how is it illegal to drive a car when drunk but it's okay to drive a band? (I ask rhetorically because I know that alcohol impairs people's judgement.)Lesson to all: If you've been drinking and you see a band and start to think that it would be fun to sit in....then you're too drunk. Call a taxi.The Band

I would agree in almost all cases except for if it were the Stones or Motley Crue in the '80s- they were almost ALWAYS drunk. My last guitar player could not play very well unless he had been drinking for about an hour and a half. But if it were for much longer, he couldn't play.

Good topic.Burger Kin

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I have a lot of reasons i hate drunks but I really hate drunk musicians. i was in a band for 6.5 years with a bunch of drunks. One is bad. Two or more is terrible and my band had the lead singer/rhythm guitarist and lead guitarist. The lead guitarist sucked without anything in his system so drunk he dragged the band through the briar patch face first. I am ashamed I wasted that time but we were booked solid. They used to blame the band sucking on a series of bass players we had that were not good either. When we finally got a good bass player a few years ago I said to them that the band still sounded bad and it wasn't the bass player. Long story short, i stayed too long and it was ugly in the end as I found myself bandless and they are still playing badly for crowds just as drunk as they are. Denial is a hard thing to admit. I am really easy to get along with when everyone gives 110% and takes pride in the music. Even the guys who aren't that good try hard and have some pride in what they play in front of people. It seems like every band has the weak link and then one guy is either a drug guy or a boozehound. Then there are one or two guys that people ask, "Why are you playing with these losers?" Ummm, because it is paying my mortgage payment... i am curretly looking for a new gig now but you have to kiss a lot of frogs...

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