This cymbal is at a music store for $220.00. Is it worth it? Can anyone tell me what it is? The man at the store thinks it is an old Zildjian K with a transition stamp. He took picture of it and e-mailed them to me so I could attach them here. Unfortunately he didn't get the whole cymbal. Hopefully the stamp is enough.
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Old Zildjian K I think??
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I'd bet $220 that it's NOT an old K.
It looks like a section of a Pasha stamp.
A K would be stamped the other way around, with the bow of the crescent facing the bell, not the edge. "Trademark" would be on the same side of the crescent.
Drumaholic has one of those Rosetta Stones of other stamps - so he'd be the expert at telling the stamp.
My vote is that it's not an old K, but a Pasha.
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I'd bet $220 that it's NOT an old K.It looks like a section of a Pasha stamp. A K would be stamped the other way around, with the bow of the crescent facing the bell, not the edge. "Trademark" would be on the same side of the crescent.Drumaholic has one of those Rosetta Stones of other stamps - so he'd be the expert at telling the stamp.My vote is that it's not an old K, but a Pasha.
Is Pasha a cymbal company or a model name?
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]It's a PASHA, correct. Good Italian cymbals from the 70's....made at the UFIP plant I believe. They are a "stencil" name made at UFIP.
Very nice Jazz-sorta cymbals....B20 alloy, handmade. I believe for a spell they were the stock cymbals for Rogers kits. Usually cannot withstand heavy-hitter-headbangers as for the most part they were thin to medium weights. I collected a whole set of these from 2 rides down to a splash. They make me quite happy when I pull 'em out.flower
$220 for a 22" is a bit overpriced. I would say $140-160 is more of a market value.
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]It's a PASHA, correct. Good Italian cymbals from the 70's....made at the UFIP plant I believe. They are a "stencil" name made at UFIP.Very nice Jazz-sorta cymbals....B20 alloy, handmade. I believe for a spell they were the stock cymbals for Rogers kits. Usually cannot withstand heavy-hitter-headbangers as for the most part they were thin to medium weights. I collected a whole set of these from 2 rides down to a splash. They make me quite happy when I pull 'em out.flower$220 for a 22" is a bit overpriced. I would say $140-160 is more of a market value.[/COLOR]
Good to know thanks.
This may sound crazy but what does stencil exactly mean? I see it used all the time but I am not sure of the exact definition.
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Made by an established company - but branded\engraved\stamped\badged under another name, basically FYI[/COLOR]
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UFIP cymbals were also distributed by Gretsch in the 70's and 80's.
I have a 10" UFIP splash that I'm quite fond of.
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Ajaha was also a brand which Gretsch carried in their catalogues for decades. initially I believe they were a small cymbalmaker in Italy....eventually UFIP stenciled them in the 70's.
Yes, UFIP marketed their own brand from the 50's onward at least. UFIP roughly translates as " the union of Italian cymbalmakers"...so over time, as small independent workshops such as Ajaha, Bellotti, & Zanchi couldn't compete or stopped production, they were folded into the UFIP banner.
I do not believe Pasha was ever an independent maker, however. I believe they were solely a stencil line always produced by UFIP.[/COLOR]
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