First and second pictures: Intermediate Stamp, made between 1959 and 1966.

Third and last picture: Zildjian K Constantinople made between 1900 and 1910's/20's?

Fourth picture: New Stamp, made between 1967 and 1977.

Jmoll, Thanks so much. I don't remember where or when I bought the ride cymbal, but I have had it since the late 1970's. I had switched from playing rock and country to "society" combo music and jazz. It also works well for Latin tunes, but I have other cymbals with a louder bell sound for Latin (Matt Nolan ride). The high hats and two old K Constantinople hand cymbals were gifted to me. The hand cymbals work well when paired with modern Sabian hand hammered cymbals for orchestra work because they provide a lower and mid range to the newer hand cymbals. I usually keep the straps off of them and use them on Dixieland type sets where they are just an effect. My ears have really gotten use to the sound of old K's and I enjoy playing them in jazz jams. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.

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pic 1,2 Intermediate

pic 4 New Stamp

JDA and JMOLL, Thanks gentlemen, I really appreciate it. I also have an 18" with a chunk missing that was drilled out for larger than normal rivets. There is no stamp visible, it may be part of the missing chunk. I put three of those large brass rivets designed to hold notebook pages together (old technology there) from an office supply company in the cymbal and it sounds pretty good as a sizzle. It screams Istanbul K to me due to sound, hammering, bell, profile and so forth. It came from the two wonderful gentlemen at Olympic Drums and Percussion and I wanted to mention them as a great source for vintage drums and hardware and also cymbals. They might be overlooked as only a source for concert percussion but are definitely worth checking out.

Show a picture we may be able to tell Era- from visual of the rest of the cymbal

JDA, You shamed me into actually taking some photos. Sorry for the quality, I have no flat surfaces in the drum room. I owe some sound files to various folks. Can I post audio files made with a Zoom recorder? If not, I can ask my long suffering wife to make a video on her cell phone. Here are five shots of the 17 and a half or so diameter cymbal. I nicknamed it "Chunky" and it does not seem to mind. I did not weigh it when I did the others. It only cost $100 from Olympia Drums and Percussion. I love playing the sides of the chunk with a bass bow (Pop's rosin is the best) or stick or one handed brush strand mandolin rolls. When I played in the local orchestra we had a pair of 22" (I think) ancient K's that belonged to Fred Hinger. His son Bill played them once in a while when the music was especially pompous and he had the physical strength to hold them. They weighed a ton but sounded heavenly for some crashes. After one concert a very nice and well meaning gentleman offered to buy the symphony some new crash cymbals so we would not have to use the old broken ones. Bill's father bought them from a former vaudeville theater drummer and they had been stepped on somewhere along the way while he owned them. They still sounded amazing. Thanks for the interest and information!

not sure which era it is But I like it/thanks/

You are quite welcome. It actually sounds good and is pretty versatile for drum set or as a suspended cymbal for band/orchestra (minus the rivets). Were factory rivet holes larger in the past? I assume it is from the "unlucky era" whenever that was...

Here is the text from the Olympia Drums and Percussion web site: "Here is one of the best sounding and ugliest cymbals we have ever found. We don't normally list cymbals with this much damage to the plate but this cymbal sounds so good that we want to find it a new home. There is no stamp on the cymbal. It must have been cut out with the edge repair. We attribute it to K. Zildjian based on the bell shape, hammer marks, and tonal quality. It has a beautiful, warm, even distribution of overtones that will sound beautiful as a suspended cymbal in an orchestra or concert band. There is some keyholing along with the extra holes and edge repair. This is a great opportunity to own a fine old cymbal at a steal of a price. The person that rescues this cymbal and puts it back to work won't be sorry."