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I finally got this WFL bass drum & floor tom home from a seedy pawnshop in my neighbourhood. I had only seen them once very quickly when I put a payment down on them & I didn't have my phone on me to snap any pics. Now that I have them home I'm full of questions...

First off, the interiors seem to painted in what looks like Gretsch silver sealer and there seems to be no sign of tampering. It looks factory. I'll try to get some better pics when I have more light to work with.

Second, notice the grommet on the bass drum. No WFL badge but a round piece of brass around the grommet. This is a virgin kick, so I'm assuming the (missing) mounted tom was hoop mounted. There are attached pics of the T-Rods as well, which are chrome bowties on one side and Gretsch on the other, except for one 60's Ludwig & one Trixon (I think). Also, the kick is drilled for 4 legs, there 2 telescoping in place, other 2 missing.

The floor tom has a WFL badge, same nickel plated lugs & silver sealer style interior paint, again no signs that this is post factory. The legs/mounts have been swapped out to 60's Gretsch. Probably way back when.

Now I admit that I was really pressed for time when I stumbled across these drums. I dropped a downpayment on them and ran off to a gig. In my mind I remember seeing mahogany, but no, they look to be maple 3 ply with subtle re-rings, not like the big chunky ones that I have seen on WFL snares. Funny enough I don't remember the FT legs/mounts being Gretsch either. Early senility?

Anyway, anything you folks can tell me about these (period, worth etc) would be very appreciated!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
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Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
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Posted on 7 years ago
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and more pics

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1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 7 years ago
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I had a rehearsal right when I got home with them, so I set them up with a 12" Rogers tom. If all goes well I have a lead on WFL 13" in same black lacquer/nickel hardware through a FB group. Fingers crossed.

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1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 7 years ago
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And here're some interior pics with the mysterious "silver sealer" style paint. I'll do some better pics tomorrow.

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1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 7 years ago
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Wow! What a mish-mosh. It looks like a mongrel Gretsch/WFL kit. The silver innards with no re-rings is Gretsch and everything else looks to be straight up WFL. (Lugs, hardware etc.) I have no clue what those are. The bass drum has one WFL hoop and one Gretsch one. So strange and I don't think that WFL ever painted the drum interiors silver. You got me bud. They look to be quality drums and if they sound good it doesn't much matter who made em. Interesting drums.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 7 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Wow! What a mish-mosh. It looks like a mongrel Gretsch/WFL kit. The silver innards with no re-rings is Gretsch and everything else looks to be straight up WFL. (Lugs, hardware etc.) I have no clue what those are. The bass drum has one WFL hoop and one Gretsch one. So strange and I don't think that WFL ever painted the drum interiors silver. You got me bud. They look to be quality drums and if they sound good it doesn't much matter who made em. Interesting drums.John

Both drums have re-rings and silver innards, which has got me stumped...I know, my pics aren't that great. The FT is badged WFL and grommet is untampered with as far as I can tell. The lug screws don't look they have ever been fooled with and there is no sign of the interiors having been repainted, so I'm still assuming that they are both WFL until someone comes up with any knowledge..They sound great though!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 7 years ago
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'48-'52 Wfl badge there. For some reason Walberg & Auge is ringing out to me. Would explain some of the question marks as they were know to mix various manufacturers shells and parts together. If these drums could just talk! They are intriguing to say the least. What are the sizes again? AND....how do they sound?

Mike

Posted on 7 years ago
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From mlayton

'48-'52 Wfl badge there. For some reason Walberg & Auge is ringing out to me. Would explain some of the question marks as they were know to mix various manufacturers shells and parts together. If these drums could just talk! They are intriguing to say the least. What are the sizes again? AND....how do they sound?Mike

Thanks Mike! The sizes are 20 x14 & 16 x 16 .I knew Walberg & Auge used parts from other manufacturers, but why would the tom have a seemingly untampered WFL badge? Also, do you know if Gretsch ever had rerings? These both have very small, subtle rerings, both painted over up to edge.. Do you know what W & A shell compositions were? Sorry for all the questions! I'm kind of at a loss....

Oh & yeah, they sound really nice!! Can't wait to throw some new skins on there and tweak!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 7 years ago
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From mlayton

'48-'52 Wfl badge there. For some reason Walberg & Auge is ringing out to me. Would explain some of the question marks as they were know to mix various manufacturers shells and parts together. If these drums could just talk! They are intriguing to say the least. What are the sizes again? AND....how do they sound?Mike

I'm looking at some pics of Walberg & Auge and I think you're on to something there Mike! The re-ring inside the tom in attached pic is very much like my drums. The grommet on the bass drum could be the Walberg & Auge badge shown in the other pic, but with nothing but the brass ring, no writing.

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 7 years ago
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Walberg & Auge used the shells that came to them in trades for their hardware with major drum companies. Many (probably most) W&A drum sets are an amalgamation of components from Ludwig (maybe WFL), Gretsch, and Rogers. I agree that the vent hole on the bass drum looks like it has the W&A fittings minus the actual round badge surrounding grommet and brass ring. So, it's likely that the bass drum shell is from Gretsch with lugs from WFL or Ludwig. I would guess the same thing for the floor tom on which the drum's owner had replaced the W&A badge and grommet with a WFL badge and grommet.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 7 years ago
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