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My new Leedy Broadway - A philosophical question

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Hi,

I recently acquired a 15"x8" 1938 Leedy Broadway Standard. It's been a long-time quest of mine to get one of these in a Duco finish and they're pretty seldom seen in New Zealand. I know that many collectors don't rate the Leedy compared with say Slingerland or Ludwig but for some reason I've always really liked them and I intend to keep this one.

Anyway back to the drum. As you will see from the attached pictures (straight out of the delivery box) it's in a pretty sad state. Thankfully it is almost 100% original (other than two tension rods, the heads and the part-absent throw) which will make its restoration that much more pleasurable. But I have some questions that I'd appreciate your collective comment on:

1/ The conservator in me would like to stabilise and retain the existing Duco finish whereas the restorer in me would prefer to strip it and refinish it. I've read up on the techniques for applying the Duco finish and feel confident that I could achieve a good standard of finish. I guess it's personal choice but welcome your thoughts. I guess the alternatives could be to strip the Duco and leave it natural or wrap it in some other finish.

2/If I were to refiish the drum, can anyone advise on what this colour combo was called or the names of the colours? It's very grubby but it looks like a sort of dark green and dirty yellow.

3/I think it's going to be pretty hard to source a replacement throw for it but does anyone know of a substitute that might fit without requiring any additional holes?

4/I've noticed that a couple of random tension rods have a slight outward splay which seems odd as the hoops appear to be original. Is this a feature of the drum?

It's a nice big heavy drum (mahogany I think) and no idea how it's going to sound when it's finished but really looking forward to getting on with the restoration when time allows. I'll post pictures of the completed project when I get there!

Thanks.

"If 'A' equals 'success' in life then 'A' equals 'X' plus 'Y' plus 'Z' where work equals 'X', 'Y' is play and 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut" - Albert Einstein.


1920s 14"x5" Ludwig Super Sensitive Dual Snare
1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
Posted on 9 years ago
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It is black gold duco, The broadway standards are awesome snare drums I own two of them myself, This is considered one of the snare drums to have as a collector player. If you can do the paint job yourself go for it, The way it is flaking you can't save it other than to just clear coat spray it. the stamp date 3803 means march 1938.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 9 years ago
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Hey, thanks for the feeback and nice to know that it's going to sound good when it's finished. Out of interest are they all 15" or was there a 14" option as well?

"If 'A' equals 'success' in life then 'A' equals 'X' plus 'Y' plus 'Z' where work equals 'X', 'Y' is play and 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut" - Albert Einstein.


1920s 14"x5" Ludwig Super Sensitive Dual Snare
1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
Posted on 9 years ago
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Nice drum! Like VM2K said...Leedy standard drums sound great! If it were mine, I would polish up the hardware and put a clear coat on the paint that is there now. Of course...it all depends on personal taste. Oh...and there were 14" versions on this drum. As for the strainer...I'm not sure where to find a replacement. That appears to be an older 4-bolt style strainer...not the more common 3-point Leedy. I guess eBay may be your only hope...or you could look up AK drums. He could even make you the pieces you are missing, but I'm sure it will cost you. Best of luck!

http://www.ak-drums.com/

- EMD
Posted on 9 years ago
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From Gerard Ball

Hey, thanks for the feeback and nice to know that it's going to sound good when it's finished. Out of interest are they all 15" or was there a 14" option as well?

No most are 14" shells.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 9 years ago
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Thanks for the replies guys and all very interesting - especially about the size. I think I'm going to strip all of the hardware off the shell and then see what the paint looks like after a careful clean. Obviously I can't do much about the places where it's flaked off but it might look good enough to retain. I am torn though because I'd love to have a crack at redoing the Duco paint - and I do happen to have an old turntable!

"If 'A' equals 'success' in life then 'A' equals 'X' plus 'Y' plus 'Z' where work equals 'X', 'Y' is play and 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut" - Albert Einstein.


1920s 14"x5" Ludwig Super Sensitive Dual Snare
1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
Posted on 9 years ago
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There is so much flaking of that finish that it leaves little left to save. I'd strip it to bare wood, prime it and re-do the DUCO finish. Reproduction four point strainers are available, look it up online. If you do a search of the archives you'll find step by step tutorials I wrote in response to similar questions about how to do a DUCO finish in the past. It's all in the archive. Use the Search feature at the top of the Home page. If you need any help along the way... I'm here.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 9 years ago
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From Gerard Ball

Obviously I can't do much about the places where it's flaked off but it might look good enough to retain. I am torn though because I'd love to have a crack at redoing the Duco paint - and I do happen to have an old turntable!

It sounds like you're not averse to this kind of extreme aging. I like it. There seems to be a few good panels. If you can clean that flaky area without the remaining paint falling off, then that's a question indeed.

For myself, no matter how good a re-finish I did, I don't think I'd like it as much as the original, for philosophical reasons...:)

Mitch

Posted on 9 years ago
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Thanks for your input guys and more food for thought. I'll look for the reproduction strainers for sure. I've seen a three point on ebay but not the four. More research needed! I took off one of the lugs this evening and the original colour is so fresh underneath. Really striking.

"If 'A' equals 'success' in life then 'A' equals 'X' plus 'Y' plus 'Z' where work equals 'X', 'Y' is play and 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut" - Albert Einstein.


1920s 14"x5" Ludwig Super Sensitive Dual Snare
1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
Posted on 9 years ago
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One way to look at restoration from a philosophical point of view this: Does anyone else have a better example of that drum, or even more to the point, has anyone else got an essentially undeteriorated original example? If someone has that drum, or better yet several people, and you are not modifying the best remaining example, then it seems reasonable to do a restoration once the condition has arrived to that seen on your drum shell.

Even the Egyptian Department of Antiquities recently restored and unvailed one of the colossi from the West Bank of the Nile rather than leave it in a deteriorated "original" state.

Do folks restore furniture, buildings, automobiles and the like. Yes. So why wouldn't we do that with drums if they have arrived to the point of needing it?

Now, if the worn look suits you, leave it as it is. If you are torn on what to do, sell it and let someone else be stressed out about what to do. :)

Posted on 9 years ago
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