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Man Some Sellers S#$K Last viewed: 8 hours ago

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From Ludwig-dude

I'm sorry but you are both wrong. That clearly only applies to the auction after the last 12 hours has been reached. If it wasn't true then why would ebay let sellers cancel bids and end the auction early with an option of "item no longer for sale"?? Yes, you are willing to commit your money, but again I state its not your item until the auction is over and an invoice has been sent and the item paid for. If your bid is cancelled and the auction ended early by the seller, the seller has a reason and it is no longer for sale and therefore is not yours. If you think you've been screwed, then don't bid on that sellers items in the future again. Sorry but thats the way I see it. A person does have the right to change their mind and they really don't need a reason, or need to explain themselves to any bidder on their items AS LONG AS IT WAS DONE BEFORE THE LAST 12 HOURS.

[COLOR=red]Script in red is directly from ebay rules, not of my own making, so how can I be wrong? This was taken directly from the rules.[/COLOR]

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Allowed

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[*]Using the reserve price option or setting the starting price at a minimum to avoid selling below a certain price

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Not allowed

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[*]Canceling bids and ending a listing early because the desired sale price hasn't been met

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Allowed

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  • Using a reserve price to set a price below which the seller is not willing to go.

  • Using a reserve price to make the item more attractive to buyers.

  • Not selling an item unless the reserve price has been met.

  • Sharing the reserve price with your bidders. Sellers don't have to tell buyers what the reserve price is, but they may want to in some cases.

  • Lowering or removing a reserve price after bids have been received on an item.

    [*]Setting the reserve price at any amount.

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    Not allowed

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  • Stating a reserve price for an item when the reserve price feature wasn't used when listing the item.

  • Stating that the high bidder is required to buy the item even if the reserve price hasn't been met.

    [*]Trying to avoid [COLOR=#0066cc]reserve price fees[/COLOR] by canceling bids and ending a listing early because the seller's price wasn't met.

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    Requirements

    Your ability to end a listing early depends on the amount of time remaining in the listing and whether the listing has received any bids.

    If there are 12 hours or more before the end of the listing, you can end the listing early without restrictions. If there are any bids on your item when you end the listing, you’ll be asked whether you want to cancel the bids or sell the item to the high bidder.

    If there are 12 hours or less before the end of the listing, your ability to end the listing early depends on whether there are any bids on the item and whether the item has a reserve price.

    Number of bids on the item

    Can the listing be ended early?

    No bids, including no canceled bids

    Yes, as long as there aren't any [COLOR=#0066cc]cancelled bids[/COLOR].

    One or more bids

    Yes, but you must sell the item to the high bidder.

    One or more bids, but the item’s reserve price wasn’t met

    No

    Finally:

    The fine print

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  • You'll still be charged listing fees (such as the insertion fee) if you end your listing early. If you want to change or improve your listing, consider revising your listing instead.

  • [COLOR=red]Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be a [/COLOR][COLOR=red]reserve price violation[/COLOR][COLOR=red]. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, abuse of this option will be investigated.[/COLOR]

    [*]eBay Motors allows sellers to end their listing early and cancel all bids by sending a Transaction Confirmation Request to the buyer.

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    Posted on 15 years ago
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    Ebay used to be a lot more "friendly"...you could pay and accept payments anyway you wanted...paypal, credit card, money order, personal check, etc. You could also see who was bidding. Nothing was hidden, it was all transparent. It was much more conducive to creating an actual "auction house" environment, and a lot more potential buyers got caught up in "bidding fever".

    But, ebay has cracked down, and continues to place worse and worse restrictions on everything, mostly in the name of protecting their bottom line. Now, it's much easier for shill bids to take place, because everyone is hidden. Paypal is the ONLY option to pay. I know many drum people that quit using ebay when this happened...it was just too much. A lot of people are scared of Paypal, and would never trust such a program with their hard earned money. And lastly, the fees have gone up, up, up.

    The result of all these changes is that the "bidding fever" that sellers always hope for has largely gone away. It's just not the same as it used to be. Big time ebay sellers, like hazelshould and richard king, used to do a lot more $1 no reserve auctions, and had great success with all of them until ebay totally changed the rules. And no, I don't hold the recession responsible for the drop in "bidding frenzy" auctions, since they started to slow down long before the recession hit.

    So, in light of all the challenges ebay has put in the way of selling, can you blame a seller for losing faith in an auction, and pulling a listing? I guarantee that the only reason ebay has those "rules" for not ending early is because they want to take in more fees. Sure, it can be very frustrating when you are bidding on something, and hoping to win, or possibly to get a bargain, and the seller pulls the listing, but I blame ebay for creating this situation. I see nothing illegal, or even morally wrong, with ending an auction early outside of the last day. It's gotten to the point where it's so common that I always ask if there is a buy it now or offline price before investing my time and energy in an auction.

    I myself have pulled a few listings over the years, only because the item was also available for sale through my online store, and was sold that way. Anyone could see it at any time during the auction, and anyone was welcome to buy it that way. Once the auction gets to the last day or so, I remove the option to buy through the website. I've never pulled a listing because it wasn't making enough money.

    Thanks,

    Bill

    http://www.classicvintagedrums.com
    Posted on 15 years ago
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