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Ludwig imperial lug breakage

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Thanks KO and Andrew for illuminating input. You are probably right. Let's hope that today's Ludwig lugs are sourced from a better supplier.

/Magnus

Posted on 6 years ago
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From Magnus_N

frantic freddie and Zach, thanks for the info. That is really good to know, since it made not a little upset to see these lugs break.frantic freddie: Please share some about your experiences with the tube lug conversion. Did you buy original Ludwig lugs? What difference did this make to the sound of the drum?/Magnus

They're not Ludwig, aftermarket from Drum Supply House. I also put on die-cast hoops, them & the lugs are brass-plated, just because I wanted the look against the hammered bronze :)

I crank it up pretty high & I'm a fairly heavy hitter, it has a nice crack with rimshots & it's more responsive to lower volume hits & ghost notes. Cross-stick/rim click is almost piercing but I attribute that to the hoops.

It's my main snare, I have a couple of friends who are always threatening to steal it LoLoLoLo

Posted on 6 years ago
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From frantic freddie

They're not Ludwig, aftermarket from Drum Supply House. I also put on die-cast hoops, them & the lugs are brass-plated, just because I wanted the look against the hammered bronze :)I crank it up pretty high & I'm a fairly heavy hitter, it has a nice crack with rimshots & it's more responsive to lower volume hits & ghost notes. Cross-stick/rim click is almost piercing but I attribute that to the hoops. It's my main snare, I have a couple of friends who are always threatening to steal it LoLoLoLo

Thank you for sharing! I think I will stick to imperials on my drum, but your drum does sound like a fantastic instrument.

All the best,

Magnus

Posted on 6 years ago
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From Magnus_N

I was tuning my 1980s Ludwig Hammered Bronze Supra yesterday and noticed that one of the lug mounting screws hade fallen off inside the drum. I removed the reso head and upon closer inspection it turned out that one of the studs of the lug (the upper one) where the screw attaches was broken.Also, when I removed it, the corresponding stud on the adjacent lug was also broken.This has never happened to me before, so I was a bit shocked. However, the drum is over 30 years old so material fatigue could occur, I guess.Anyway, I want to order replacement lugs for my drum. Is this the correct part?https://www.dpmusic.se/produkt/ludwig-p2230b-imperial-tension-lug/Thanks in advance for your input./Magnus

Looks like the right part to me.

I recently order some of the flat Imperials for wood drums. The new Imperials don't use springs, which is a good because there are no spring vibrations. They seem to be good quality lugs. I ordered mine from the Drum Center of Portsmouth.

Posted on 6 years ago
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From Mo Tonkie

Looks like the right part to me. I recently order some of the flat Imperials for wood drums. The new Imperials don't use springs, which is a good because there are no spring vibrations. They seem to be good quality lugs. I ordered mine from the Drum Center of Portsmouth.

Thank you Mo Tonkie, that is good to know. I hope the mix between old, springloaded lugs, and new ones without springs, won't be an issue. Will it? It would be quite costly to replace all ten lugs.

/Magnus

Posted on 6 years ago
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The mystery deepens... Today, I removed all lugs - and lo and behold, the lug adjacent to the 2nd one to break turns out to be partially broken, too: one of the studs is gone since long, the other one is still intact.

It turns out that the remaining seven lugs are fine. However, strangely, these seven lugs are all without a spring, whereas the broken ones are all spring-loaded. I guess this means that all ten lugs were originally spring-loaded, but that all but three of them were replaced, likely due to breakage?

I bought this drum for a very reasonable price some five years ago, so it obviously has a history. I am getting to know it now.

So, when I have replaced the three broken lugs, none of the lugs will have springs anymore. That sounds like a good thing. And uniform, too!

/Magnus

Posted on 6 years ago
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Just don't over-tighten the screws when you install the new ones. It is very easy to either strip out the threads or crack the stud. Use a hand-held screwdriver & bring them up slowly 'til snug. Maybe a drop of blue thread-lock to make sure they stay put....marko

Posted on 6 years ago
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Hi Marko,

Thanks for the advice. As I put the lugs I checked back yesterday, I tightened all screws by hand. I always try to be careful not to overdo it when I make sure all screws etc are tight and firm on my drums. I do these checks regularly on any kit/drum I gig with.

I've never used products like Loctite etc. Are they really useful?

/Magnus

Posted on 6 years ago
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The blue version of Loc-tite is reversible; the red can pretty much lock the threads for good. I use the blue stuff now & then when a need to keep a bolt from backing out of something...........marko

Posted on 6 years ago
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So then, the unbroken ones I have are basically junk. Oh well.

I guess the mounting screws & cup washers are useable, as are the inserts & springs.

Anybody wanna buy a bag of small parts? LoLoLoLo

Posted on 6 years ago
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