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keyhole protection

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i have some new vintage cymbals, and one of them has the slightest hint of a keyhole. Is there any way i can prevent this from enlarging? some type of rubber grommet?

EDIT: i forgot to add the most important point, which is that the cymbal i'm referring to is a top hi hat cymbal

Posted on 10 years ago
#1
Posts: 5293 Threads: 226

Here`s a thread that may interest you...

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24491

Cheers

1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 10 years ago
#2
Posts: 3467 Threads: 116

Don't bother with a grommet... you need a short piece of plastic hose over the centre tube of the holder. It should be no longer than the thickness of the two felt washers when they are compressed together. you may need to enlarge the holes in the felts but stretching them is usually enough. So with no more metal to metal contact, the cymbal should be fine.

Cheers

John

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 10 years ago
#3
Posts: 129 Threads: 15

Try http://www.thegrombal.com/ I have a few on cymbals I have with cracked holes. Work well, but a b&^#*& to get into the hole.

Posted on 10 years ago
#4
Posts: 5293 Threads: 226

From mkelley

Try http://www.thegrombal.com/ I have a few on cymbals I have with cracked holes. Work well, but a b&^#*& to get into the hole.

I got one of these free with an order off ebay...I haven`t tried it yet...It looks like it would be a PIA to install..

Cheers

1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 10 years ago
#5
Posts: 3467 Threads: 116

Here's what I suggested... Never had a keyholed HH cymbal...

(Black mark on the tubing shows where the cymbal sits between the felts).. This centres the top HH more accurately as well.

Note the tubing shown has been on that holder for around 15 years...

Cheers

John

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'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 10 years ago
#6
Posts: 1184 Threads: 60

Keyholes are simply the softer cymbal metal being worn away by the harder stand metal, where it makes contact. Change the dynamic of this contact by using something softer than the cymbal metal as a buffer, and there is no chance of a keyhole. If the cymbal was harder than the stand, there would be threads on why is my cymbal stand breaking off at the top! LOL

Heck, for a temporary quick fix, you could throw a couple wraps of electric tape on there and that would last for a little while.

Toodles

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Posted on 10 years ago
#7
Posts: 5356 Threads: 87

Yep I do the same thing as Long John. I used a plastic marker cap. Cut it with a razor knife heated with a lighter...like butta. Mine is a Slingerland clutch. But same effect no matter which brand. Works great.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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