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Is this a Ludwig Pioneer?

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Seller claims it's a "blue sparkle vintage pre serial number Ludwig snare".

Sorry don't have pic of the badge yet.

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70s Slingy WMP
70s Ludwig Standard Aqua Mist
60s Ludwig Champagne Sparkle Downbeat
and a whole bunch of snares and hardware
Posted on 2 years ago
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No expert, but it has differences for sure from my 1965 Pioneer..Markings are different and mine has a baseball bat damper..And my throw off has different markings and is a different style..May mean nothing..Maybe it is a later version than mine

Posted on 2 years ago
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Thanks, just found out it doesn't have a badge. Geez, who removes those?

Oh well, can't be worth much more than $100 now right?

70s Slingy WMP
70s Ludwig Standard Aqua Mist
60s Ludwig Champagne Sparkle Downbeat
and a whole bunch of snares and hardware
Posted on 2 years ago
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Definitely is a Pioneer... circa late 1968 to early 70's. Too bad about the missing badge. Pioneers usually sound great.

EDIT: See subsequent posts below....This drum may be a JazzFest if it is determined to have 8 lugs as opposed to the 6-lug Pioneer model.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 2 years ago
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The badges are not hard to find..No it will not be original to the Snare..But it would make no difference to me if I replaced it..If it is on Ebay or something..It will sell for quite a bit more than 100.00 I bet..

Posted on 2 years ago
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The inside view photo, showing the tension lug nuts, seems to indicate a Jazzfest (8 lugs) versus a Pioneer (6 lugs). But as O-Lugs pointed out, it appears to be late '68 to early 70s vintage.

Regards, mb

Posted on 2 years ago
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Marty I think you're right on second inspection. If it's 8 lugs then it's a JazzFest.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 2 years ago
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Thanks all for the great advice.

70s Slingy WMP
70s Ludwig Standard Aqua Mist
60s Ludwig Champagne Sparkle Downbeat
and a whole bunch of snares and hardware
Posted on 2 years ago
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Sure looks like a Jazz Festival to me!!

-Mark

Posted on 2 years ago
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Also if it's preserial numbered it's not suppose to have the first gen p 85.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 2 years ago
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