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is my gretsch a fake? Help me pls

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Hi there, im a drummer from Italy, i'd buy for ?2.000 an old Gretsch jazzette drumset by somebody here in Italy as a second hand of course.

He told me that this drum should be made across the years 70' 80'.

The sound is definitely wonderful as a Great Gretsch, but i got some dubts about the real assemblage of all the componets (bass drum 18', tom 12' and floor tom 14').

Here some pics that show why i've dubts about it

Best regards to all of you, and thank you so much.

Giampiero Virtuoso

Posted on 18 years ago
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just some other pics.....

See the different labels between the bass drum, floor tom and the tomtom.

Falling Do DOH :(

Posted on 18 years ago
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Something is going on, but not necessarily a fake.

Yes, you have three different badges, and the bass mount tom holder

was added later, so it looks more like a set put together then a factory match.

It is very conceivable since Gretsch even has catalog shots with different badge drums that the factory did this.

The chances of someone going to that length to fake a newer Gretsch kit is probable but not likely.

I would just say a factory miss-match. Rich K or Steve Maxwell woul d know more about Gretsch then me. So it is only a guess.

David

Posted on 18 years ago
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Something is going on, but not necessarily a fake.Yes, you have three different badges, and the bass mount tom holderwas added later, so it looks more like a set put together then a factory match.It is very conceivable since Gretsch even has catalog shots with different badge drums that the factory did this. The chances of someone going to that length to fake a newer Gretsch kit is probable but not likely. I would just say a factory miss-match. Rich K or Steve Maxwell woul d know more about Gretsch then me. So it is only a guess. David

CryBaby

I'm totally agree with you!

Besides.....?2.000 seems to be like a fraud. :(

I didn't made a good purchase, thats it.........

thanks for reply me Keep on Pl

P.S.

The tag inside the floor tom talking about a birdseye maple.

Somewhere on the web i'd find that is one of the rarest kinds of wood on the planet.

Can i smile for this at least??? Eye Ball

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Posted on 18 years ago
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Bird'seye maple is not one of the rarest woods on Earth. It is very pretty wood, though.

Those drums are definitely Gretsch drums. If you like the sound, then that's the reason to smile.

I have no idea what that price equates to US Dollars.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 18 years ago
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Bird'seye maple is not one of the rarest woods on Earth. It is very pretty wood, though.Those drums are definitely Gretsch drums. If you like the sound, then that's the reason to smile.I have no idea what that price equates to US Dollars.

About $2,527.00 USD

Posted on 18 years ago
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I edited the price and did an online converter and came up with that dollar amount

?2000 = $2,527.99

The original post had ?2.000 Which = $2.53

So I had to assume it was ?2000

Please clarify that with us.

If so I probably would not be smiling either, but as O-Lugs stated if they sound good then play them and forget about it since we are all unhappy with a purchase or two in our lives.

I have at least two people walking around somewhere that each owe me more then that and I gave up years ago to ever get it back. At least you have the drums.

David

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Posted on 18 years ago
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I edited the price and did an online converter and came up with that dollar amount?2000 = $2,527.99The original post had ?2.000 Which = $2.53So I had to assume it was ?2000Please clarify that with us.If so I probably would not be smiling either, but as O-Lugs stated if they sound good then play them and forget about it since we are all unhappy with a purchase or two in our lives.I have at least two people walking around somewhere that each owe me more then that and I gave up years ago to ever get it back. At least you have the drums.DavidWebmaster

Sorry, i made a mistake. I spend ?2000 = 2485.00$ (is it right?)

Yes at least you're right, but will u advice me if is the case to call the seller and asking for an explanation or looking for a lawyer?

Still thanks to all of you for the great support.

Giampiero

Posted on 18 years ago
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I do not believe that price is fair. I think it was extremely high for what the drums are. If they were a rare matched ROUND badge kit, and was in excellent original condition, then you would have a "fair" price. I think what you got was an assemblage of orphaned drums. Sound-wise, they will still sound like Gretsch.

What would I have paid for that kit? Well, as a "player's kit", I would probaly be willing to spend $600-$1000 IF that little 18" bass drum has not been altered. I don't know Gretsch stuff very well, but that tom mount on the bass drum is partially covering the badge. I can't imagine that was a factory installation, but, again, I could be wrong. If it was altered, then I'm at the low end of the price range.

Another curious question is the title Gretsch "Jazzette". Did Gretsch make a kit called a "Jazzette", too? I was under the impression that was exclusive to Ludwig drums.

I don't mean to be discouraging. As David stated, we have probably all made some "less-than-perfect" deals in our day.

I can't advise you about legal issues. Good luck.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 18 years ago
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I do not believe that price is fair. I think it was extremely high for what the drums are. If they were a rare matched ROUND badge kit, and was in excellent original condition, then you would have a "fair" price. I think what you got was an assemblage of orphaned drums. Sound-wise, they will still sound like Gretsch.What would I have paid for that kit? Well, as a "player's kit", I would probaly be willing to spend $600-$1000 IF that little 18" bass drum has not been altered. I don't know Gretsch stuff very well, but that tom mount on the bass drum is partially covering the badge. I can't imagine that was a factory installation, but, again, I could be wrong. If it was altered, then I'm at the low end of the price range.Another curious question is the title Gretsch "Jazzette". Did Gretsch make a kit called a "Jazzette", too? I was under the impression that was exclusive to Ludwig drums.I don't mean to be discouraging. As David stated, we have probably all made some "less-than-perfect" deals in our day.I can't advise you about legal issues. Good luck.

:(

About the name "Jazzette" should be probably just for the european market.

For the rest, im tryng to call the seller and ask him why didn't tell me about the assemblage. Hope to resolve as soon as possible.

Thanks

Giampiero

Posted on 18 years ago
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