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is history repeating itself? Last viewed: 14 hours ago

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Hi guys,

on a recent purchase of a set of Tama SCB's an interesting thought came up. some of you might have seen my request for information on another thread as little to none was available.

heres my question - are we heading swiftly in a direction that is making the same mistakes that have been made before? - not documenting different types of drums, lines and their changes from previous models. the current state of play is such that i could not uncover any information other than catalogs and this was inconclusive as catalogs by nature are bias in what information they provide. and this is on a kit that is not even 10 years old?

is the future drum community going to look back at drums that have been built today and struggle to date, categorize or even in some cases identify who or where they were made?

hit hard
Posted on 15 years ago
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There's no precident for what is happening now. There are more boutique drum makers than ever before. Thanks to the Internet, pretty much anyone can take parts and assemble them into a drum and call it custom. I'm not so sure it's that big of a deal these days.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Yup,botique guys by the hundreds,but i dont think they count because like me,a lot of us end up closing up shop.The obvious big guys that we know will be around 20+ yeears are the ones that should,and likely do keep it all well documented.

Hit like you mean it!!
Posted on 15 years ago
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Good custom builders will keep some sort of record of their builds with all info (wood type, finish, date, etc), a cataloge is akin to a portfolio or resume'.

I don't think that most builders expect their drums to be around after a few years (re-wrapped, lug change out, etc.). How many kits out there are unknowns sitting in the back of a Pawn Shop because some putz uses sliver paint and stickers on a Black Beauty because he thought it was cool?

Plus, most everyone uses stock parts, there are a few that make their own, few are unique enough to warrant a catalogue or historical documentation.

Other factors such as brand ID and sponsorship. The reputation of the builder/company and the players who used their drums.

Ludwig, Slingerland, Gretsch are ID'd with a person or family with a long line of history behind them. The players too had famous reputations, endorsing the drums they played for decades.

Will anyone care 50 years from now care if Travis Barker used to play the such-and such-model DW kit in green? I doubt it. So there's no point of keeping a record.

My 2 cents.

Posted on 15 years ago
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there must be a scenario where current drummers are revolutionary to the industry just like gene or buddy.

when you want to identify a vintage kit, are you happy with a rough date, or do you try to track down when it was made as close as possible?

For the purposes of this discussion, lets take boutique out of the question as you are both right they are by nature individual and will be hard to identify in 50 years time.

I'm more specifically referring to the current big name builders. with regards to finding information on the internet, once a company changes lines of kits, they often will update their website accordingly. what then happens to the information that they once had available? it is removed from public space and people once again have to rely on backdated catalogs.

today arguably the best resources are the rob cook books. these were written after the fact using investigation by rob cook and still contain some gaps and inconsistencies. I would go out on a limb and suggest that nobody in buddy's earlier years ever knew he would have such a long standing and legendary impact on music, is it not risky to make the same call for current industry leaders (whoever they may be)

if we are in fact making tomorrows history today, why are we not documenting it properly?

hit hard
Posted on 15 years ago
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Still will have the back against the wall. A great deal of the modern larger drumcos are shopping out to China and parts unknown. Take Gretsch or Tama or Ludwig or Yamaha etc etc etc. They all do it. Those lines will be difficult to track ... Though most won't be interested in doing so.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Yeah, there are so many convoluted drum sets out there, now, I don't think anyone will ever care to track any of them. Easier to just throw them away and buy another one, imo.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

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Posted on 15 years ago
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