(Load some photos). Are they deep cup cymbals? Is it the Ludwig & Ludwig "Sizzle" cymbal ? This could be a custom order, or home made job. I'd like to see where the rivets are located. Many hi hat sets , in those days, were just 2 similar cymbals put together & not necessarily a pair like we have today of one light top & one heavy bottom.

Thanks very much for the response. They are both HH cymbals are deep cup. I'm new to vintage drums, so I'm not sure what a L & L Sizzle cymbal should look like.

Anyway, here they are; it's the one on the right; one rivet is missing:

[IMG]http://www.stephenpaulharper.com/Both.JPG[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.stephenpaulharper.com/Rivets.JPG[/IMG]

Thanks again.

Steve

Usually the heaviest cymbal would be used for the Bottom Hi Hat, but in your case I would guess the riveted cymbal would be on the top. (I assume the rivets are clearing the other cymbal ? ) BTW here is a pic of the Ludwig & Ludwig "Sizzler"

That cymbal looks so cool. What's its size? Are they very rare, 'cos I want one!

Yes, the rivets clear the bottom cymbal, but they both weigh the same. As you say, it may be a homemade job. It's a 1924 kit with a high boy hi-hat, and I didn't think they made them that early.

Thanks so much for the help.

Steve

I saw a Ludwig & Ludwig "Sizzler" go on feeBay for less than $40 about a month ago. Saw one on some vintage dealer site for over $100.

Do a Google search, I'm sure you'll find something.

Sabian had hi hat cymbals that had rivets on the bottom cymbal,I think they were called sizzle hats.Liberty DeVito used them for a while.

Steve B

I think I remember those cymbals, but mine were made WAY before 1981. I want the kit to be played as it was played then, although matched grip pretty much kills that for me. Can't deal with a tilted snare.

Thanks for the input.

Steve

If you looked at the edges of each deep cup cymbal, & the play wear pattern, you should be able to tell which way the original player positioned them. (or try them each way & see what works out the best for you). I have lots of these deep cup sets, & many are of the same weight, so I just go by the best sound.

The cymbals are so tarnished, and I think it's been so long since they've actually been played, it's hard to discern any wear patterns. I keep time and patterns with my left foot a lot, and I think if the rivets are on top, it will make a sort of flam sound. Not sure if I want that or not. The hi-hat is missing a piece, so I can't actually play them yet. It's on its way though.

Thanks for the continued input.

Steve