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Help With These Zildjians and Model Etc. Last viewed: 5 days ago

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Holy crap, this thread grew as fast as a cancer. I read 4 pages and skipped to the end.

Don't clean those cymbals; it's a PITA and they're just gonna get dirty again.

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Posted on 12 years ago
#131
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From AZBill

Holy crap, this thread grew as fast as a cancer. I read 4 pages and skipped to the end.Don't clean those cymbals; it's a PITA and they're just gonna get dirty again.B

Well I was thinking about that part. I see you can clean them then polish them to have a protective layer to try and prevent the oxidation stage again. Is there like cleaning intervals anyone has made? I am just wondering cause I bet they sound much more open and vibrant all cleaned. That's kinda what I am after and if you saw the work i was doing idk I think the cymbals will be a walk in the park compared to the test haha.

Posted on 12 years ago
#132
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From bunnyman

Patina on brass is just like the surface rust on iron and the oxide that forms on aluminium- it prevents anything from happening to the metal underneath the oxide. The oxide oxidises and gets uglier and uglier.Yes- it's the patina mixed with gunge that makes a change to the sound. Sometimes it does bond with the oxidation. I think of a Zildjian Earth Ride. I doubt it was buried, but it almost looks raw. I am trying to get a more raw-looking cymbal with my techniques. I know that a raw finish will dry out the sound. I may even hammer this cymbal to change the sound and appearance further.Will bunny poop do much to the cymbal? Probably not. I have quite acidic soil where I live. We'll see what goes down with the burying...

Ahh but you see this isn't brass. This is a mixture called b20 which is 80% copper and 20% tin. Neither of which are brass. They each have different properties that must each be tendered to to create a fake patina on it.

Posted on 12 years ago
#133
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I think we all know pretty much what b20 alloy is on here.......

Most of us have been playing longer then you have been alive......

I've been playing off and on for 43 years!:Santa:

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
#134
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From blairndrums

I think we all know pretty much what b20 alloy is on here.......Most of us have been playing longer then you have been alive......I've been playing off and on for 43 years!:Santa:

Hey hey hey he said brass ;) I don't think any cymbal you will want to age and use is going to be brass. I may be wrong tho haha.

Posted on 12 years ago
#135
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From Mr.Lud

Ahh but you see this isn't brass. This is a mixture called b20 which is 80% copper and 20% tin. Neither of which are brass. They each have different properties that must each be tendered to to create a fake patina on it.

Well, the cymbal I am aging is BRASS.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
#136
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I like clean cymbals. I like shiny cymbals. I like a sweet autumn colored patina, too. I could care less about value or any of that other garbage that's dished out by 'educated' pallets. I've been hitting these things for over 45 years. If I haven't figured out what a sweet cymbal sounds like by now, then there ain't no hope. I believe that some zealots are on a self-appointed mission to indoctrinate as many as humanly possible ... with no consideration as to whether an individual desires a paradigm shift or not. Approaching 140 entries to answer two very simple questions ... get it? Not jumping on anyone, so don't read it that way. Just commenting on what has become an eternal struggle. It harkened back to the grip arguments that used to sever and divide drummers.

If you find yourself jumping on another drummer because he wants to polish a cymbal, you may want to stop ... think ... and let it go. It's not important or your business whether an individual cleans his cymbal or uses it as a wok. Again, just let it go and get on with your life.

Sure as I'm sitting here, I know someone is going to believe this is directed to him. Let me assure you before you trip offline, it's not directed at any ... ANY person on here. It's just my comments on the subject. Nothing more.

What Would You Do
Posted on 12 years ago
#137
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From bunnyman

Well, the cymbal I am aging is BRASS.

Haha i know yours is. From my perspective I am not dealing with brass though. What you are doing should wok for you. I didnt mean anything ok.

Posted on 12 years ago
#138
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From Mr.Lud

Haha i know yours is. From my perspective I am not dealing with brass though. What you are doing should wok for you. I didnt mean anything ok.

Well, I am going to use this as a wok next!!!

I know you didn't. Hell- I think I am just doing this for mere amusement.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
#139
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From RogerSling

I like clean cymbals. I like shiny cymbals. I like a sweet autumn colored patina, too. I could care less about value or any of that other garbage that's dished out by 'educated' pallets. I've been hitting these things for over 45 years. If I haven't figured out what a sweet cymbal sounds like by now, then there ain't no hope. I believe that some zealots are on a self-appointed mission to indoctrinate as many as humanly possible ... with no consideration as to whether an individual desires a paradigm shift or not. Approaching 140 entries to answer two very simple questions ... get it? Not jumping on anyone, so don't read it that way. Just commenting on what has become an eternal struggle. It harkened back to the grip arguments that used to sever and divide drummers. If you find yourself jumping on another drummer because he wants to polish a cymbal, you may want to stop ... think ... and let it go. It's not important or your business whether an individual cleans his cymbal or uses it as a wok. Again, just let it go and get on with your life. Sure as I'm sitting here, I know someone is going to believe this is directed to him. Let me assure you before you trip offline, it's not directed at any ... ANY person on here. It's just my comments on the subject. Nothing more.

It's just gotten WAY WAY WAY outta hand. All I wanted was to clean them because I am literally ripping the set into little shards and polishing everything for a new look. I figured a old patina would just make it look bad too. I have gotten a few ideas and looked on other forums for a answer where people feel cleaning them for the sound is a good thing. I might just go over to one of them instead. This has been less than inviting right here. All the questions on the drum set I got like thinking I am not telling the truth. I don't know.

Posted on 12 years ago
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