Help in Identifying Italian Splash Cymbal - Page 1

I ended up with this cymbal as part of a 60's Rogers purchase recently and cannot find out anything on the net by a Goggle search. It is a 10" Splash or Sock cymbal and either says Btashjian, Rtashjian, Ftashjian or ? on the ink stamp. I cannot make out the first and last letters of the word real well. It is Italian per the front marking stamped into the cymbal. Anyone have any ideas as to what brand it is or any information on the company and roughly how old it is?

Here are some photos of it:

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[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/nopork/image/148565265.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/nopork/image/148565266.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/nopork/image/148565267.jpg[/IMG]

There was also a CB700 18" ride cymbal, with the kit but that appears to be the "Made In Italy" Tosco type, but sounds pretty good even with a little crack near the edge that has been drilled. I think it will work just perfect for my once a month Polka Band gig.

Thanks and looking forward to some insight into what this is.

If the last photo is the die stamp from the same cymbal it is a UFiP. That's the UFiP "pyramid stamp". I've got 2 20" rides which have the same stamp including the "made in italy" underneath. As to dating it...not sure. I don't know more than I did yesterday. Pre-1970s I think, but I haven't found out when (and if) the "made in italy" part underneath was not applied in favor of just the top portion.

See: this thread which in turn references more.

The Cymbal Book by Hugo Pinksterboer, p165, says Rogers obtained cymbals from UFiP (which were called Pasha). But I can't make Pasha out of what you've shown. Too many letters... But if they were made for, say, the Dutch market then the ...asha ending might happily be written ...ashjia to get the same sound. Maybe somebody else knows.

Also, at UFiP there is a wall where they have most (probably not all -- for example UFiP made cymbals for CB700 as well so they might well have made the one you describe) the other names they have manufactured cymbals for over the years. Have a look for a match to that script:

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2012/ufipStencilBrands.jpg[/img]

Photo courtesy of Ronn Dunnett from his visit to UFiP. Red circles courtesy of I know not who.