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Guitar center sent wrong cymbal

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From Ludwig-dude

While you may not have actually said it, it was implied by the tone of your posts throughout this thread, stating that GC put the blame on "new staff in the warehouse & store" sure sounds like a type of bashing of the staff to me.

I stated exactly what the Guitar Center representative told me. He said that they had "new staff in the warehouse" and that they may have mixed up the cymbals. How is this me bashing them? This is exactly what they told me....seriously, it's like trying to argue with the wall DOH

Posted on 8 years ago
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Its 4 pm on a Friday............. Two ballasts are burnt out in a fixture. 20 minutes to the supply house, 15 or 20 there, 20 back to the job. 30 to get it done. Half hour home. Its going to be 6 before I get home. I get off at 3. ......... "Have to order the parts, they will be in next week." . Translation, I don't feel like doing it now.

"New staff in the warehouse.... may have mixed them up".....Translation.... I cant call you any of the appropriate epithetical names this call deserves. Send back the ZBT.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
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Posted on 8 years ago
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From The Ploughman

"New staff in the warehouse.... may have mixed them up".....Translation.... I cant call you any of the appropriate epithetical names this call deserves. Send back the ZBT.

You and Ludwig-Dude just won't stop will you? It's almost to the point of being comical now DOH

Posted on 8 years ago
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From ardrummer

You and Ludwig-Dude just won't stop will you? It's almost to the point of being comical now DOH

Personally I think the comical part is the fact that you made this thread whining about receiving a "wrong" cymbal when in fact you received the EXACT cymbal advertised in the TEXT and that you got mad when you didn't get the cymbal PICTURED, full well knowing that you were trying to take advantage of someone's mistake. You yourself admitted to "taking a chance". That my friend is extremely comical. Even more comical is the fact that you found nothing wrong with trying to get something for next to nothing while having it backfire on you, now you are upset with others that have called you out on such a suspect thing to do in the first place.

Like I said, Karma's a *****.

Coffee Break2

Posted on 8 years ago
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Can't blame you for trying, but you should have trusted the listing name and not the picture. I have scored some fine cymbals that were listed as "brass cymbals" or "no name cymbal" BUT on EBAY! If you order a cymbal listed as ZBT from guitar center you will receive a ZBT. Try eBay where sometimes there are sellers who don't know what they're actually selling.

Posted on 8 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

I beg to differ with you. Not "anyone on this forum" as you stated. I don't care if its a huge corporation or a little mom & pop store or some widow selling on craigslist. Its not in my style to try and take advantage of something like that just to try & get the deal of the century. If its super cheap I always ask questions, especially if its a private sale. Its called being ethical. Its also called Karma. Eventually it will bite you in the behind if you keep "scoring those super deals" by taking advantage of people, be it a small mom & pop store, and individual, and yes.......even the big corporate chain store like GC. I'd like to think I'm not in the minority on this one here, but maybe I am by the sounds of it. Sad how the world has changed so much. Cooked EggCoffee Break2

Fair enough I may have overstated the case somewhat. I have no skin in the game really as I'm happy with my SS Club Dates and never score any super deals anyway...:)

I'll amend to say I don't think what ardrummer did was totally out of line with what generally goes on wrt to buying and selling. I'll add that the term "snake-oil salesman" originated in our past and I don't think there was ever a time when people were nicer...admittedly just my opinion. :)

Mitch

Posted on 8 years ago
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I started a thread not too long ago about this. The same exact thing happened to me. The picture clearly showed an older A. Zildjian; by using the zoom feature I could see the stamp. The description was "Unknown Brass Cymbal-Japan". What I got was a Brass Cymbal Made In Japan. I did not contact Guitar Center or send it back for a refund.

Here's what I learned from it:

1. Always save pictures of the items when you order it. Once the listing disappears from the website, you no longer can access the item. (Looks like ardrummer did this.)

2. If there is any doubt, call the store listed directly and ask questions. Even if the person on the phone is inexperienced, you can at least walk them through some basic questions that should tell you what you need to know.

3. The old adage still applies: "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is".

In my case, I was disappointed I didn't receive the older A. Zildjian that was pictured, but I also put the blame on myself for not calling and clarifying the listing. It was my fault I didn't call, so I kept the cymbal.

Here's my opinion of ardrummer's predicament:

Guitar Center does have lots of turnover, and many people there are inexperienced. They clearly made a mistake on the picture, but the description was correct. They simply made a mistake when listing the item. Can't really fault them for that. Still, they owned up to it and offered a full refund to ardrummer, so GC stood behind their sale.

On the other hand, ardrummer thought he was getting a good deal, so he pulled the trigger, and was understandably disappointed when he received his cymbal. You can't blame him for wanting to find a good deal (let's face it, we all want to find a good deal), but he should have asked clarifying questions when he realized the listing description and picture didn't match up (I'm sure he has learned this now).

As far as this whole "being ethical/unethical" nonsense, let me just say this:

Like I said before, we ALL like to find good deals. If a grieving widow was selling her husband's 1958 Ludwig Mardi Gras Club Dates for $50, I think many of us would inform her that she was asking way too little and offer a price that was much more reasonable for both parties. I can only speak for myself, but I'm not going to blatantly rip someone else off, especially a non-drummer, just to score something nice for a steal. I think most of us here would fit into that category.

Things are different when a corporation like Guitar Center is involved. They (allegedly) have experience with musical instruments, and should know what they are selling and price it accordingly. It's their product and they should know it's value. If I walk into a GC and see an 80's EAK 20" ride priced for $59.99, I'm going to buy it! Not because I'm trying to "be unethical" or "rip off GC" or "screw the guy who gets the commission". I would be buying the product at the stated price on the price tag that they themselves put on the product. It's not like I'm offering $50 for a product tagged at $200. If I am buying their product at their stated price, is that being unethical? If GC, (who sells musical equipment and should have the knowledge to price their products accordingly) prices something way too low, isn't the owness on them? If your local grocery store were selling Filet Mignons for 10 cents a pound, would it be unethical to buy them at that price? They are the grocery store that sets the price on the products that they sell. If you're paying the stated price that they are asking, how are you "ripping them off" when they themselves set the price? It's hard to sympathize with a corporation, especially one that is a subject matter expert in their field, if they are pricing things too low and a lucky customer gets a good deal by simply purchasing the product at it's stated sticker price.

Anyway, just my opinion. I think some folks in this thread need to chill out.

Posted on 8 years ago
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From vyacheslav

I started a thread not too long ago about this. The same exact thing happened to me. The picture clearly showed an older A. Zildjian; by using the zoom feature I could see the stamp. The description was "Unknown Brass Cymbal-Japan". What I got was a Brass Cymbal Made In Japan. I did not contact Guitar Center or send it back for a refund.Here's what I learned from it:1. Always save pictures of the items when you order it. Once the listing disappears from the website, you no longer can access the item. (Looks like ardrummer did this.)2. If there is any doubt, call the store listed directly and ask questions. Even if the person on the phone is inexperienced, you can at least walk them through some basic questions that should tell you what you need to know.3. The old adage still applies: "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is".In my case, I was disappointed I didn't receive the older A. Zildjian that was pictured, but I also put the blame on myself for not calling and clarifying the listing. It was my fault I didn't call, so I kept the cymbal.Here's my opinion of ardrummer's predicament:Guitar Center does have lots of turnover, and many people there are inexperienced. They clearly made a mistake on the picture, but the description was correct. They simply made a mistake when listing the item. Can't really fault them for that. Still, they owned up to it and offered a full refund to ardrummer, so GC stood behind their sale. On the other hand, ardrummer thought he was getting a good deal, so he pulled the trigger, and was understandably disappointed when he received his cymbal. You can't blame him for wanting to find a good deal (let's face it, we all want to find a good deal), but he should have asked clarifying questions when he realized the listing description and picture didn't match up (I'm sure he has learned this now).As far as this whole "being ethical/unethical" nonsense, let me just say this:Like I said before, we ALL like to find good deals. If a grieving widow was selling her husband's 1958 Ludwig Mardi Gras Club Dates for $50, I think many of us would inform her that she was asking way too little and offer a price that was much more reasonable for both parties. I can only speak for myself, but I'm not going to blatantly rip someone else off, especially a non-drummer, just to score something nice for a steal. I think most of us here would fit into that category.Things are different when a corporation like Guitar Center is involved. They (allegedly) have experience with musical instruments, and should know what they are selling and price it accordingly. It's their product and they should know it's value. If I walk into a GC and see an 80's EAK 20" ride priced for $59.99, I'm going to buy it! Not because I'm trying to "be unethical" or "rip off GC" or "screw the guy who gets the commission". I would be buying the product at the stated price on the price tag that they themselves put on the product. It's not like I'm offering $50 for a product tagged at $200. If I am buying their product at their stated price, is that being unethical? If GC, (who sells musical equipment and should have the knowledge to price their products accordingly) prices something way too low, isn't the owness on them? If your local grocery store were selling Filet Mignons for 10 cents a pound, would it be unethical to buy them at that price? They are the grocery store that sets the price on the products that they sell. If you're paying the stated price that they are asking, how are you "ripping them off" when they themselves set the price? It's hard to sympathize with a corporation, especially one that is a subject matter expert in their field, if they are pricing things too low and a lucky customer gets a good deal by simply purchasing the product at it's stated sticker price.Anyway, just my opinion. I think some folks in this thread need to chill out.

thanks vyacheslav! I appreciate your well thought out post. Get ready though...you may have an onslaught of responses from a couple posters, lol

Posted on 8 years ago
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...one more word on the concept of "karma", which is this - Stalin died peacefully at home in his own bed.

Mitch

Posted on 8 years ago
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...and there is always an "exception to the rule".

Posted on 8 years ago
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