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i've been labeled a "rock" drummer for most of my drumming years.

but some months ago i became extremely fascinated with/by jazz.

when i listen to jazz its like the music is speaking directly to my soul.

and i hate rules/form when it comes to music. i think you should be able to play/make whatever kind of music you want. (not having to worry what time-signature its in/or "will this work?")

i love jazz for what it really is. pure spontaneity.

that's all i've ever wanted to be as a musician/drummer. completely spontaneous.

that being said,

for a few months now i've been searching for my "perfect jazz cymbals"

a lot of old k's and/or turkish made cymbals really haven't done it for me (due to the dark/dull/dry sound) since i'm used to the tin-y/pingy/rocky sound of most vintage a's/new cymbals i've had.

its hard for me to understand that jazzy cymbal sound because i've never been a jazz drummer. that's why that sound is so..almost alien to me.

but since falling in love with jazz/basically only wanting to play jazz, i came across what i think really works for a great transition set of cymbals for me.

Istanbul Agop 30th Anniversary cymbals.

-14" hats ($480)

-20" ride ($450)

-22" ride ($550)

i recently came across them when searching, and for me they are exactly what i think of when i think of a jazz cymbal. they're everything and more of what i'm looking for in great jazz cymbals.

i wont be able to start saving due to xmas/hardware i need, but there is know doubt in my mind that i MUST own these cymbals.

hurray for exploration and discovery!

Yes Sir

p.s.

(always writing from personal experience/opinion never meaning to offend)

if you haven't heard these cymbals..i suggest you check them out.

-shaun

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Outstanding cymbals. If you haven't played them, I would also suggest tapping on on a set of Paiste Twenty LIGHT rides and Thin hats. Man, they handle everything I throw at them. They have that jazz feel with a nice woody ping, and yet they open up at the slightest slice. They also have one of the most beautiful crash sounds I've heard.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I don't own the Istanbul 30ths but have played and love them. As you get into playing jazz more and more you find that jazz isn't one thing- it's all kinds of music all around some central ideas- for me that means I need some variation in my cymbal set-up.

For example-

*for playing with a jazz singer I often use an I[COLOR="Blue"]stanbul Mehmet Legend 21" [/COLOR]with two rivets and a set of modern K 15" hats (the larger size makes a softer chick and a buttery, warm tone)

*For playing fast patterns with lots of shoulder crashes I use a [COLOR="blue"]K Zildjian High Definition Ride 22" [/COLOR]and an old [COLOR="blue"]Meinl Dragon ride 20[/COLOR]@ with 3 rivets (this cymbal is properly named)

*For very moody and rolling, impressionistic gigs- I prefer a [COLOR="blue"]Dream 24" Contact Ride[/COLOR], an [COLOR="blue"]Istanbul Agop Trash Hit [/COLOR]20 (with 2 rivets) and a 16" Sabian HHX Ozone crash.

*For jazz blues or playing with a Hammond I like a [COLOR="blue"]Paiste Traditionals 20"[/COLOR] medium

*For 30s/40s swing I prefer a set of 60's A light hats and 18 A ride.

Other cymbals I love and will play in general on a jazz show are the

*Sabian HH Sound Control 20 (golden and warm!)

*Istanbul Azure 20" ( light and lively with a great crash)

*Istanbul Mehmet 60th Anniversary 22" (every time I play this live someone walks up and comments how much they like it- a really complete cymbal)

My point in all this is not just to share my own preferences but to encourage everyone to always keep experimenting and trying out new sounds- I bought an old vintage Pearl kit and it came with some 60s Pearl Special brand cymbals that are sooo trashy- even they work on certain shows- you can even play stainless steel cymbals- I agree with you on the spontaneity and exploration of the sound universe- one set up of cymbals can never really do it all- but the 30ths are surely an awesome base to work with.

For info. & live schedule:
www.EricWiegmanndrums.com
*Odery Drums Japan endorser/ representative
*Japan Distributor of Vruk DrumMaster pedals
*D'Addario Japan Evans/Promark/Puresound
*Amedia Cymbals Japan

It's the journey not the destination.
Posted on 14 years ago
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thanks guys!

i'll have to check out your suggestions!

i've always been more of a vintage drum-nut but i think my uncle/form members are slowly but surely turning me into a cymbal-nut!

Jump For Joy

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Before you pitch you current cymbals for jazz/swing (or until you get those dream pieces of bronze), try switching to a lighter pair of sticks (e.g. 7A) with a wood tip.

Posted on 14 years ago
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i'm not selling my A's.

no way! they work way to good together.

i've been using lighter sticks for a while now.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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