yeah, your probably wrong, have you seen the sabian kit it is a black magic marker with a stincle kit, big difference in the two,Eye Ball

I own it, its not a magic marker, its a paint marker actually....LoLoLoLo

so do i and it isn't permant, and it is also put out by sabian which it also has a copy right on it, thats why they go thru the trouble of doing it, you can argue this point all you want it is why it says pat pending on it,LoLoLoLo

Who's arguing? All I said is that sabian makes one for their cymbals and that they obviously aren't overly concerned about the use of it. It would be rather hard to counterfeit a cymbal anyway since they are stamped in the metal with the makers mark and in the cases of modern cymbals the serial number too.

Why shouldn't Paiste and Ziljian join in with sabian and offer logo renewal kits? Seems like a good idea to me......

Didn't Pat Pending run for president in the late 60's? ...oh...wait...that was Pat Paulsen. My bad.

thanks for the very funny light hearted humor, but pat would be far better than our present choice,, did you get my pm

Sure did. All is good. That's why I 'edited' my post. I understand and appreciate the explanation. Take care.

[COLOR="Sienna"].....psssst....Pat always ultimately supported Progressives, BTW....

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]I agree it wouldn't make any difference the repainting...unless it fell into the hands of someone who turned around and tried to sell the cymbals and used the "unfaded logos, almost like new" as a selling point, y'know....

Which in this instance, doesn't apply to the OP.....since his desire was just to end up with a great looking pair of players....[/COLOR]