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From kellyj

Right~ It was interesting to see when cleaning the round "Camco" (soon-to-be DW) lugs, that stamped on the inside was "Made in Japan". The shells are very nice 7-ply maple (higher end Tama) with a high quality gloss finish likely put on in the LA shop, with assembly using the Japanese hardware. The LA shop at this time was very much a custom shop. The reason Elvin used these or at least did an ad for them (besides being paid) was because the toms are in jazz, pre-fusion sizes 12X9 and 13X 9. Looks sounds and smells like jazz.~k

Yeah, they were probably early superstar shells that were used for the "Tamco" drums. I think Tama had to change the lug design soon after due to copyright infringement on DW's lug, which they had just purchased the rights and tooling for from Camco. Something tells me an out of court settlement was reached and Tama modified the lugs to have that added square on them.

Posted on 15 years ago
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How long did Tama use the "legal" lug with the square built on?

~K

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 15 years ago
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From kellyj

How long did Tama use the "legal" lug with the square built on?~K

I would think not long since Camco (or Tamco your choice :D) drums weren't around much longer.....although the pedals lasted until the late 80's I believe.....

Posted on 15 years ago
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Thanks LD,

That's why I'm wondering why these kits are not collector's items? Kind of limited editions so to speak under extenuating and interesting circumstances such as famous mixed parentage and so on...

~K

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 15 years ago
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From kellyj

Thanks LD,That's why I'm wondering why these kits are not collector's items? Kind of limited editions so to speak under extenuating and interesting circumstances such as famous mixed parentage and so on...~K

I think its the japan connection that makes these less valuable/collectible than the US made Camcos. Perception is japan=junk........not always the case though....

Posted on 15 years ago
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Definately not in the case of these late Camco, early Tama kits. They are of excellent quality (esp. shells and finish) and play beautifully :D

Not tempted at all to part with it.

~K

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi All,This is what i know on these camco/tama sets.Tama made them for 1979-late 1981. The shells were superstar tamas..These are good sounding drums.. myself have only seen a few sets of these camco/tama set less then 12 in all.So i would say these are rare sets to come by..The funny thing is a few weeks ago on C/L in northern ca[chico,ca] i got a set of these,a 4 pc set 8x12--9x13--16x16--14x22 for 90.00-with camco/tama lugs on it but with royalstar badges..This photo is from the listing..I do know how to make my other photos small to fit this forum...mike

Posted on 15 years ago
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Nice looking kit there Mikey.

I guess that's my point regarding the "rarity" quesstion. These are unique kits, few and far between. Reminds me of the story of Bill Ludwig's re-aquisition of his own name in 1959. to make things right with the world again he came out with the the "Transition" badge. His story carries much more flavor of course than the Camco/Tama/DW story, no question.

The interesting thing is that we do not place much stock on transition rarity from a collector's point of view. Ludwig "Transition" badged drums don't seem to be more in demand than most other vintage Ludwigs excepting the transition COB Supraphonic.

Are Tama Superstar shells, of the higher end? I confess, I know D---all about Tama, except they produced a lot of the Japanese "junk" from the sixties under various and sundry names ranging form Stewart to Apollo in the form of copies of Slingerland, Gretsch, etc.

From the quality of the shells, at least on the 1979 kit I have, you can see and hear that Tama in the late '70's was on a mission to compete with better drum makers in the US, hence the aquisition and division of Camco, a quality drum maker, between Tama and DW.

So, to put the name "Camco made in USA" on the badge of a Japanese all maple shell, call up 'ol Elvin to endorse, there was an attempt at high quality! I think it was successful from an engineering/acoustical perpsective. Check out the finish on these after thirty years... an American finish on a Japanese shell assembled by Californians using Japanese lugs that are high end in quality compared to say a "Stewart" lug? From a collector/historical point of view, a cool story to tell in American drum history. Of course, we all like the DW end of the story better than the Tama end or do we? :) electricit So, the drums you see in the pictures, are they Camco like it says on the badge, Tama or DW? A nice mix anyway....

~K

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Posted on 15 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

I would think not long since Camco (or Tamco your choice :D) drums weren't around much longer.....although the pedals lasted until the late 80's I believe.....

There was actually an import brand of drums called "Tamco" that had nothing to do with Camco or Tama...

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Rich K.

There was actually an import brand of drums called "Tamco" that had nothing to do with Camco or Tama...

Really? I thought everyone just considered the tama owned camcos as "Tamcos"......

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