[COLOR="DarkRed"]I have had some of those come thru here. They were pretty respectable.

You are correct, I believe they are UFIP-made from the period you noted.

Are they B8 alloy ? The ones I have had were B8's, and pretty decent ones, too.

Sabian cleaner is fine; it's a good choice, actually...if your goal is to keep 'em clean and shiny. Every few months is also fine.

Or...you could also just let them patina over time. In this instance, their sonic character would mellow a bit...the brightness would be diminished a tad. They would also not be shiny anymore :o[/COLOR]

Im not sure if they are B8 or not...how can you tell? Im going to lean towards no, because I have Sabian B8 16" crash, and the make up is comepletely different...different color, different sound, thicker in general.

When the hats start to oxidize, they turn a kind of orange color...thats when I think it may be time to clean them up...Im just starting to get familiar with the different alloys in the cymbals, so I still have some things to learn...like the differece in the metals used.

Thanks for the help, Jaye

B8 is typically copper-y looking, like the Sabian B8's or Paiste 2002's. B20 is typically more 'blonde' looking, although it ages to a green or coffee color.

They could well be B20 if it doesn''t have a coper hue to 'em...

Then they are definetly B20, because they are nowhere near the same color as my B8 cymbal. Definetly much lighter in color, but they do start to get a little bit of a darker, copper-ish color about 2 -3 months after I clean them up....but as soon as I spray them down with cleaner, the hue disappears. Thanks again for the help.

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