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Armand 19" sizzle vs. vintage 19" sizzle.

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From Drumaholic

In fact we're both off topic here. The original discussion was about what would become most collectable in the future; old Zildjians or today's Armands.

Of course a vintage, old cymbal will be more collectable than a new one will be in the same elapsed time. I have no idea how the other guy could make a statement to the contrary!! After twenty years, the new one will be twenty years old and readily available while the old one will be fifty plus years old and getting harder to find every day, especially in good condition.

I suspect that drums and cymbals are following the same patterns of anything else that is deemed "collectable". The items everyone collects now are hard to find because when they came out, nobody thought of them being worth something as a collectable. Am I the only one who used baseball cards, probably some pretty good ones too, to make motorcycle sounds on my bicycle? Nowadays, everything that could be a collectable will be well represented once it ripens to the age where it will start to be sought after. Many people are banking on products being worth more later in life and treating them accordingly. This phenomenom is probably going too far towards the collectable side anymore to be honest, with people placing high values on old junk. Society is now wise to the whole collectables scene.

My point is that anything (mass produced) old and vintage, as of today, will surely be more collectable than something new, as of today, thirty years from now.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I can't really answer the original question because how does anyone determine "better"?

I have heard old A's that sound just okay and some that sound great. Some of those might have made great sizzle cymbals and some not. Sizzle cymbals are one of those things in the cymbal world. It's just another sound, but, because of the fact that the rivets are actively sustaining the sound by interacting with the waves produced by the cymbal, there are "particulars" that one would have to determine for themselves. There's really no way to do that without hearing AND feeling the cymbal. When I say "feeling" it, I mean that you would probably want it to blend in with your other cymbals. Some cymbals are more dynamic than others and so if a sizzle cymbal is, say, too treble-y and the sizzle lasts too long or not long enough, then you can't really blend it effectively. In other words, once those rivets are activated, it's kind of up to them as to what happens and for how long. So, it has to feel in harmony with your touch. Or, you have to adjust your touch or manually attenuate the cymbal some other way(s).

Sizzlers can be Heaven or Hell.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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GOT IT TODAY!!!!!!!

BAD NEWS!!!!.........

Yes I bought it without trying it. I found that no stores carried it and found what I thought was a good deal on ebay. BUT I got it today and there is one heck of a mark on it. The previous owner wiped it with something that made a pretty dark stain on it. REAL BUMMER!!!!! Looks like wood stain or something!!! Very dissapointed about that since they stated it was in great condition.

WHAT I THINK......I don't think that its really too heavy. I came from a pretty heavy 20" 2002 Paiste. It is a pretty thick cymbal!! It is heavier and thicker then the vintage 19" sizzler that I tried at the store, but lighter then the Paiste that I was using. it has LOTS of SIZZLE!!!! Maybe a bit too much sizzle for some lighter jazz, but for what I'm playing (surf and early 60's rock n roll) it is perfect!! Overall I'm very happy with it (except for the stain that is). The vintage cymbal didn't really open up like I would have liked it to, and this one really opens up when you crash it. I would recommend it to anyone that likes that early 60's "Ringo" type sound, but not to someone who plays jazz or softer type music.

Thanks again to everyone who left their feedback, it really helped in my decision making!!

Posted on 15 years ago
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From drumhack

My point is that anything (mass produced) old and vintage, as of today, will surely be more collectable than something new, as of today, thirty years from now. drumhack

Actually, there are always exceptions. Major Matt Mason figures were hunted down for years. Then, an Asian company mass produced clones of them. Now, the clones have been off the market for long enough and are hard to locate. The clones have now passed the originals for general value. It is possible.

In this cymbal example, all things being equal, I don't believe the new one would surpass the old one in value.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From drumhack

Of course a vintage, old cymbal will be more collectable than a new one will be in the same elapsed time. I have no idea how the other guy could make a statement to the contrary!! After twenty years, the new one will be twenty years old and readily available while the old one will be fifty plus years old and getting harder to find every day, especially in good condition. I suspect that drums and cymbals are following the same patterns of anything else that is deemed "collectable". The items everyone collects now are hard to find because when they came out, nobody thought of them being worth something as a collectable. Am I the only one who used baseball cards, probably some pretty good ones too, to make motorcycle sounds on my bicycle? Nowadays, everything that could be a collectable will be well represented once it ripens to the age where it will start to be sought after. Many people are banking on products being worth more later in life and treating them accordingly. This phenomenom is probably going too far towards the collectable side anymore to be honest, with people placing high values on old junk. Society is now wise to the whole collectables scene.My point is that anything (mass produced) old and vintage, as of today, will surely be more collectable than something new, as of today, thirty years from now. guitar2 Car Driving2 guitar3 Sumo Dude Eye Balldrumhack

I mostly agree with you on this....however, the original question had nothing to do with collectability....it was more of a which would you buy type of question....we all strayed from the original topic on this one I'm afraid.....

My reasoning on the Armand "beautiful baby" ride being collectible (I never said valuable, there is a difference) in the future was the fact that it was originally a limited edition. Much like a Paiste Stewart Copeland Signature ride may become collectible in the future as it is an artist model that probably won't be available for too long.

Glad you're happy with it csclassics....its a good choice for that 60's rock....it is a thinner cymbal than you are used to, much like a vintage A from the 60's....thats what they were shooting for.

Posted on 15 years ago
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