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A. Zildjian hand hammering

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We'll start with some examples from the early 1930's and then gradually work our way up the timeline. These are examples of what can generally be regarded as the most primitive of hammering styles found on old A's. A few examples that I also class as primitive can also be found in some rare examples from later years, and I'll eventually cover those too.

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvincymbals/websize/1930%20ham%202.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvincymbals/1930%20ham%201.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvincymbals/exquisite%20lathe%20chatter.jpg[/img]

[color=purple3][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]The inner half on this one shows extensive lathe chatter that masks the hammering. The outer half shows the typical early 1930's hammering style.[/size][/font][/color]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvincymbals/websize/1940%20concert%20pair%204.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvincymbals/30qus%20hammering%202.jpg[/img]

[color=purple3][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]I included this example to show everybody how difficult it sometimes can be to separate hand hammering from machine hammering. This is extremely accurate hand hammering done by one of Avedis' best artisans from this era. It's virtually machine-like in its perfection.[/size][/font][/color]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvincymbals/04_1.jpg[/img]

Posted on 13 years ago
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Very nice,Bill........thanks

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 13 years ago
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You are a fountain of knowledge, and we are privileged to have your contributions to this site. As always, thanks for the education.

Posted on 13 years ago
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He must have been accurate than a machine.

I love old As hammering. They're truly the best.

Posted on 13 years ago
#4
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Yes I agree. Nobody hammers like this anymore. Although there's plenty of old world style hammering going on in the world today, there's no more of this style. It's truly a lost art.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Interesting. From this it looks like hammering was done before lathing. Is that right?

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hammering is most always done before lathing. Sometimes, there will be a bit of hammering after lathing for certain cymbals.

What Would You Do
Posted on 13 years ago
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OK. So if significant lathing is done, it can remove traces of the hammering marks. Which makes it harder to see the hammering, right? And that would explain why the untrained eye (mine) can't find hammering marks in some old cymbals? I'm looking forward to the pictures from later eras.

One other thing - isn't it true that thinner cymbals will show less evidence of hammer marks than thicker ones?

Posted on 13 years ago
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I have 2 A's from the 50's a ride and crash.

The 18" crash has very distinct hammering, the ride not as obvious but has a whole different look almost more like you would see in K's of the same era.

When this thread get to that era I'll share some pictures...

Posted on 13 years ago
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From 4MoreYearsOhNo

OK. So if significant lathing is done, it can remove traces of the hammering marks. Which makes it harder to see the hammering, right? And that would explain why the untrained eye (mine) can't find hammering marks in some old cymbals? I'm looking forward to the pictures from later eras.One other thing - isn't it true that thinner cymbals will show less evidence of hammer marks than thicker ones?

Yes the lathing does tend to remove some of the appearance of marks but in most cases these cymbals are not lathed deeply enough to erase them completely. The rough exterior is removed with the first lathing, and then usually the there's the addition of a secondary set of lathing groves for added tonality.

But there are some cymbals that are hammered lightly to begin with, and yes it's especially true that this is true for thinner ones. Thinner cymbals typically have less metal to compress and so the hammering appears less obvious. In addition to that they usually seem to be hammered with less force than a heavier cymbal would be. This is where the artisan's sense of feel becomes important. From "feedback" through the feeling of the hammer rebounds he knows instinctively just how to adjust the force of his hammering technique accordingly.

I'll show you some examples of cymbals where the hammering cannot be seen in some later examples too.

Posted on 13 years ago
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