The answer is easy for me. Don't buy anything from Ebay. I have never bought or sold a single item off of that site and my life has been just fine! I am still looking for 8 lugs and torpedo rods for my 20" slingy kick drum, but I won't stoop to buying them from Ebay. I have seen them on there more than once too.......
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The answer is easy for me. Don't buy anything from Ebay. I have never bought or sold a single item off of that site and my life has been just fine! I am still looking for 8 lugs and torpedo rods for my 20" slingy kick drum, but I won't stoop to buying them from Ebay. I have seen them on there more than once too.......toodlesdrumhack Burger KinBurger Kinx-mas2x-mas3Excited
Seems like you're missing out on the opportunity to use a great tool, as ebay is just that...a tool....to use and be used. Nothing more.
I just don't get why some people think ebay is evil. It may be full of scumbags and scammers, yes, but there are some good deals out there from time to time as well.
If someone has what you need on ebay and its reasonable, I see no reason to not jump on it and get them to finish your project.
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I currently found a joker on Ebay selling a 1971 silver sparkle 22, 12, 13, 16 LUDWIG Classic kit. He is selling each tom separately, and even worse he has stripped each tom of all their hardware except for the badge and is selling their respective lugs, mounts, rims, etc. on separate listings. I recently put out an ad in my community and found the man I sold a 1978 LUDWIG kit to, because I had kept the original floor tom and gave him a 1969 tom without knowing it at the time. I made the trade with him and took back the 69' which ironically enough was in considerably worse shape. Point is.......I am a purist and felt that the kit should stay together. This guy on Ebay infuriates me. He can't be a collector or respect vintage drums, or at the very least even be a drummer. I hope to never see this total lack of respect for vintage drums on this forum.......:mad:
I tend to agree with keeping this stuff in one piece and together. That's just me. I wouldn't part out a perfectly good vintage car and sell it in pieces. I hate to see kits separated and drums separated from their hardware. It kind of gives me a feeling of a w-h-o-r-e's mentality.....no offense to you w-h-o-r-e-s out there (boy, the mod's really have a narrow bandwidth on the vocab). I just don't like this paractice (not that there's anything I can do about it) and it saddens me that these kits will/may be scattered about. Orphans don't count because they've already been separated. Anyway, that's my take.
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Generally, I'm against breaking kits up, if they are rare, but right now I'm in sorta position, when I have matching BD and FT that are not totally unique, but not THAT common either. I don't want to keep the BD, I rather want to convert the FT to BD, ideally without adding too much holes to it. It probably isn't absolutely kosher, but then again, I'm not orthodox.
Of course, the example presented by thsoundoffreedom is absolute extreme and shouldn't be done with such a nice kits.
Seems like you're missing out on the opportunity to use a great tool, as ebay is just that...a tool....to use and be used. Nothing more. I just don't get why some people think ebay is evil. It may be full of scumbags and scammers, yes, but there are some good deals out there from time to time as well. If someone has what you need on ebay and its reasonable, I see no reason to not jump on it and get them to finish your project. :2Cents:
Good point.
I keep things pretty simple though. We went to the Outer Banks on vacation a little while back and I didn't go swimming in the ocean at all. I never even got my feet wet. I figured I couldn't get bitten by a shark if I just avoided the ocean altogether........
toodles
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I currently found a joker on Ebay selling a 1971 silver sparkle 22, 12, 13, 16 LUDWIG Classic kit. He is selling each tom separately, and even worse he has stripped each tom of all their hardware except for the badge and is selling their respective lugs, mounts, rims, etc. on separate listings. I recently put out an ad in my community and found the man I sold a 1978 LUDWIG kit to, because I had kept the original floor tom and gave him a 1969 tom without knowing it at the time. I made the trade with him and took back the 69' which ironically enough was in considerably worse shape. Point is.......I am a purist and felt that the kit should stay together. This guy on Ebay infuriates me. He can't be a collector or respect vintage drums, or at the very least even be a drummer. I hope to never see this total lack of respect for vintage drums on this forum.......:mad:
Yes the answer boils down to money. Perhaps he is in dire straights. His wife is dying of cancer, son killed in Iraq, lost his job and can't afford the mortgage, trying to put his kids through college and give them a better life than he had.
Or maybe he is doing well and wants to go on vacation, buy that 57 Chevy he always wanted...maybe even saving up to put the money into a Copper Mist Gretsch 12/14/18.
Then again, maybe he is just a greedy bastard who could care less about vintage drums.
My point is that he could be doing a lot worse things than selling drums, and we shouldn't be so quick to judge.
A dispespect of vintage drums would be throwing them in the trash heap like so many sets have gone.
Now go make some music!
Fair enough.....I guess there are circumstances or situations that drive to people to do what they must. To each, onto their own. For me...........I would rather starve to death before I step back, take a good look at my all original mint condition 1971 LUDWIG classic kit ( 24, 18, 14, 15" snare), with matching stands and proceed to go to my tool bench to find the most efficient way to strip this truly beautiful piece of history into a hundred pieces.........;)
This is blatant Consequentialism. It's all that "The end justifies the means" garbage. Eventually, you really need to ask, "who is it justified for and who is it justified against". Steal the loaf to keep the child from starving.
This is all dung from a bull.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. There is no gray. It is either correct or incorrect. Life does not give partial credit.
And with that, we return you to your regularly scheduled program of mediocre excuses and vain attempts at guilt removal.
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For the humor-challenged:
The previous bit was all in fun and meant to be read as tongue in cheek. If you still do not understand the humor after googling references ... just nod and giggle. Your wife/girlfriend will appreciate the positivity you are displaying which could translate to mucho hugs later.
This is blatant Consequentialism. It's all that "The end justifies the means" garbage. Eventually, you really need to ask, "who is it justified for and who is it justified against". Steal the loaf to keep the child from starving. This is all dung from a bull. Right is right and wrong is wrong. There is no gray. It is either correct or incorrect. Life does not give partial credit. And with that, we return you to your regularly scheduled program of mediocre excuses and vain attempts at guilt removal. flower:Snow Flake:;)For the humor-challenged:The previous bit was all in fun and meant to be read as tongue in cheek. If you still do not understand the humor after googling references ... just nod and giggle. Your wife/girlfriend will appreciate the positivity you are displaying which could translate to mucho hugs later.
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Boy, this is a touchy subject isn't it???? I hate seeing this kind of think on ebay.You need a drum or two to finish a set. If you're lucky you get the drum intact and the exact color you'll looking for if you're willing to spend the money. Not so lucky, you find the shell then have to bid against a hundred other people to get the hardware. Somtimes you settle for the wrong color if it's a good price and invest in recovering. If it's an item that's really in demand it gets more intense. It's getting to be a game and the question is , can you afford to PLAY??? Looks like the days of finding a great vintage set in someone's basement for $50 bucks may have come to an end. But every once in a while you never know!!! Admit it , even though we complain and kick the dog about this, we still play the game.We're drummy people , we can't help it, this is what we love.
