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A Little Rant & Rave

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I recently put together a band that includes a very talented female vocalist. For the most part we all get along, but there's always something. We were going over Rolling in the Deep by Adele, pretty simple groove and I thought everything sounded fine, then the vocalist says, something didn't sound right, I think it was the drums. She goes on to say that there's some sort of cymbal that I wasn't adding to the song. Well, it turns out she was referring to the hats. After watching a video of a live performance by Adele, I could see the drummer was playing the hats over the kick pattern during the verses which was difficult to hear in the original recording. Not a big deal, but she insisted I put it in, so I did, but it just seemed so nit picky.

Then the bassist kept complaining that some songs were dragging.

The main song in question was Brown Eyed Girl, another fairly simple groove, played it many times with no complaints, but it just wasn't fast enough for him. By the time we figured out what tempo he wanted, the song was like a runaway locomotive. I tried to plead my case, but I was out voted by the rest of the band.

Then the rehearsal took a nasty turn when one of the guitarist says, didn't we all agree we wanted this to be a good band and play everything as close as possible to the recording? He looks at me and says, we all say you're wrong, so what's the problem? At this point I got a little stressed and just let it go. So much for having a nice relaxing rehearsal.

Sometimes I want to just ditch the whole band thing and just play the drums in my little room.D' Drummer

Posted on 6 years ago
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Get the LiveBPM app for your phone for tempo checks. Saves a lot of headaches and arguing.

Posted on 6 years ago
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From amosguy

Get the LiveBPM app for your phone for tempo checks. Saves a lot of headaches and arguing.

Great idea! I was going to suggest a metronome with a "tap" tempo function, but it looks like they have an app for that now Cool1

Aside from that.. it can be difficult to be in bands at times. I'm as laid back as they come, but as I get older I find that I tire of putting up with other's BS.. I'm a step closer to saying, "Stay off my lawn ya damn kids!" :D

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 6 years ago
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From amosguy

Get the LiveBPM app for your phone for tempo checks. Saves a lot of headaches and arguing.

I guess I'm what you would call "Old School." Don't use anything other than my ears to tune my drums and I rely on my inner clock for the tempo. My main goal during a rehearsal is to get the arrangement of a song down so there's no question where the song is going. I can deal with tempo changes, but not train wrecks in front of an audience.

Posted on 6 years ago
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In my old band we’ve always played it our way and have done really well with the songs (3piece) so maybe you should start anothere wait till they try to find a replacement lol

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Posted on 6 years ago
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From Brewkowski

Great idea! I was going to suggest a metronome with a "tap" tempo function, but it looks like they have an app for that now Cool1Aside from that.. it can be difficult to be in bands at times. I'm as laid back as they come, but as I get older I find that I tire of putting up with other's BS.. I'm a step closer to saying, "Stay off my lawn ya damn kids!" :D

Ya, that's exactly how I'm feeling. Maybe I'm just stubborn, but I'm the drummer and you know the old saying, the tempo is what I say it is.Yes Sir

Posted on 6 years ago
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My standard answer is:

"How about I take care of the drums and you take care of (insert instrument here), OK?"

I recall a situation in an original song where our vocalist wanted double time drums in a section rather than the straight time I was playing. I said "It'll sound like a country tune if I do that" but we tried it, for about 20 seconds... It sounded like a country tune...

The older a song is, the more versions of it exist. If a band member wants to do a song they should be professional about it and come prepared with a recording of exactly the version they have in mind. IF the band agrees to that version, that is the version you do. Note tempo for the cheat book along with any changes from the version you happen to know, and move forward. No arguments, and if they crop up, scrap the song immediately.

Just imagine if that group of musicians were playing with Steve Gadd or Dave Weckl... I assure you there would be a very different outcome.

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Posted on 6 years ago
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From johnnyringo

I guess I'm what you would call "Old School." Don't use anything other than my ears to tune my drums and I rely on my inner clock for the tempo. My main goal during a rehearsal is to get the arrangement of a song down so there's no question where the song is going. I can deal with tempo changes, but not train wrecks in front of an audience.

I'm with you 100% johnnyringo! I'm lucky though in that our stuff is all original and I write most of it! I play the songs just how I want because they're my songs! I'm not saying that I don't accept input because I'm playing with some talented musicians. I don't take their opinions lightly. Egos don't come into it. Sure there are times but, honestly not too many. The main thing is that all of my band members have fun doing what we do! If it's not fun, I'd rather not do it at all. Best of luck to you, my friend! Hang in. Don't compromise your beliefs!

Brian

Just a drummer who loves all things about vintage drums! Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 6 years ago
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About a year ago I was filling in a few gigs with a singer/songwriter that does mostly blues style tunes and I loved playing with him. He's a fun guy to be around, professional in his work and booking, etc.. his bass player on the other hand.. ugh.

The last gig I played with them, the bass player showed up late for load in and then griped about the area in which I set my kit up in (small bar anyway, not a lot of room)... "next time here set up further the other way because now I'm stuck out in the open." I'm thinking, well had you showed up an hour ago like you supposed to, we could have coordinated this..

Then, the leader and I are up there to start at 9pm, and the guy doesn't show back up to the stage area until 9:10.. then, later he was consistently late coming back from breaks.

During one of the sets, some drunk lady tipped 20 bucks to play Wonderful Tonight. So the leader goes into it.. kind of acoustically at first. He's playing it pretty fast compared to the few times I've ever played it... definitely fast than the album. So I start in trying to decide what's going to work, the 16th note groove on the recording, or just 8ths all while trying reign in that tempo a little bit... keep in mind, I was solid as a rock all night, even getting compliments during the break from the leader. So, 2 or 3 measures into the tune, the bass player turns to me and chastises me yelling, "You need to lock onto a tempo! Are you going to find it?" I stared at him, looked him up and down. He then proceeds to play the most hideous, staccato bass line throughout the rest of the song like he's making a point to act as the tempo setter. Had I not had respect for the leader, I would have stopped mid song, packed up my sh*t and left. And had the bass player not been almost twice my age... it probably would have went a bit further. Thankfully I restrained myself from going that route.

Anyhow.. it really ruined the remainder of the night for me and I turned down any following gigs that were offered since.

So.. that's my unsolicited rant.. :D

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 6 years ago
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If work is not fun...Well it's not fun and it sounds like they are giving you a hard time. If you are hired, you should do as they say. if not, consider their vision and if it becomes too much to handle, just walk. Life is too short. It seems like they should get a keyboard player with pre-programed drums. There are lots of nice people around to play with.

Rock on...

Keep fixing them up...
Posted on 6 years ago
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