do you have a pic by any chance?

mike

I know nothing of a "Type 1" stamp. But I do know that ink denoting cymbal model was applied to Avedis Zildjian cymbals way back to before Trans Stamps. Here is a BOUNCE, and the pre Trans stamp on that cymbal:

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2014/pre-trans-ink.jpg[/img]

mlayton and zenstat, Here is a link from vintagecymbalforum about the types of A Zildjian stamps I used as reference

http://www.vintagecymbalguide.com/zildjian_stamps_a.html

I am out of town Thursday AM and cant get any pics of the cymbal up online for a few days. I studied the stamps on this link and date ranges but havent been able to come up with a correct vintage date for the cymbal yet. I appreciate your help and will be gettin back to y'all in a few days. Thanks.

Zenstat,

I have heard of the Trans Stamps but am unfamiliar with what that is exactly. Willing to give me a quick story on that?

We'll get to the bottom of this!

Thanks!

Ive never heard of a "bounce"..............How cool is that? I wonder what it sounds and plays like. Good photo BTW. Looks shiny and new.

Looks like it wants it to be played :)

Thanks for the link. That's a very unusual typology which seems to try very carefully to not to step on the toes of Bill Hartrick (aka Drumaholic) who is a member here.

Their Type 2 is a Transitional Stamp (which has at least 4 variants according Bill Hartrick who named the Avedis trademark stamp series). But that's not a very diagnostic picture of a Type 2 (the bits which are supposed to be deeper aren't much deeper or the lighting for the photo didn't bring them out).

Their Type 1 is the pre Trans Stamp (or 1st stamp in some terminologies -- but not in Bill Hartrick's terminology), but the stamp picture there is much later as far as I can see. It looks more like a late 50s stamp. You can tell right away if you know what to look for. I'll explain that in due course. Note that I'm sometimes wrong on these things (as BosLover has noted I do need new reading glasses), but I document each step of my thinking process so that when I'm wrong others can tell.

I don't know why this VDF info is still on the web site. It is misleading, and was clearly abandoned before it was completed (hence the lack of text as you work your way down). Misleading in the sense that it doesn't conform at all the the original definitions and terminology from Bill Hartrick. Like several of the other online timelines it is distinctly unhelpful in sorting it all out.

Read the original article by following the link below:

http://black.net.nz/avedis.html

Bill's article also contains the information which will allow you to see why the photo of that Type 1 doesn't fit the criteria, but I'll expand on that anyway just to make it clearer. When I get to it. Soonish.

The name BOUNCE has been recently re-introduced to the lineup.

http://zildjian.com/Products/Drumset-Cymbals/Cast-Bronze-Cymbals/K-Constantinople-Series/22-K-Constantinople-Bounce-Ride

That pre Trans Stamp BOUNCE cymbal is New Old Stock, never played, stored in the vault under controlled atmosphere conditions. Such things exist. But I don't have any. My old cymbals are all old and scruffy. Like me. Violin

I forgot to mention about the size of the mounting hole.

The definitive answer is here, and Drumaholic says it conveys no useful information.

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=34455&highlight=small+hole