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1977 Vistalite set question(s)

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I am a bass player/musician and have always wanted to learn to play drums. Just enough to help with my bass playing as well as overall musicianship. So this cat I am playing with now is 67 years old and he has decided to "retire" from music. He has the kit in which you see the pictures here. What you see is what he said he would sell me.

Many will say their drums are in "mint" shape when perhaps they are not. But honestly, these are 9.5/10. The only reason I say 9.5 because unless they are brand new, nothing deserves a 10. All serial numbers are sequential so this kit was bought as it is, minus the snare. He did not like the vistalite snare so is including another Ludwig snare. He is including all of the original hard cases which are in the same condition. Apparently this drum set has been housed and not used except for about two years when they were first bought. I do know the toms are concert toms so he has Evans hydraulics on the two middle toms and the floor tom. It also has a speedking pedal, identical to Bonham's setup. It has a 24" kick drum. If I buy and learn on this kit I will only make it a 5-piece. Way too many drums for a newbie like me!!

So here are my questions:

1) He said these drums are worth more but will sell them to me for $1000. I am not going to turn around and sell them but what would you estimate the value to be?

2) Being a seasoned musician but a newbie drummer, is this a kit that would serve me well for my purpose of learning drumming fundamentals and some good grooves?

3) I would like to take some lessons here locally to give me a head start then plan on going forward learning on my own as I have on all of my other instruments. Do you have any suggestions on learning DVD's/books that would be designed for an already musician to learn drumming fundamentals?

Thanks and I appreciate any opinions.

JWH

Posted on 8 years ago
#1
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Obviously can't see everything in the pictures, but from what I can see, that set is worth more than $1000 easily. Very nice!

As far as working for you, only you can determine that, but I see no reason that they aren't fully functioning for what you want.

My kit:
Ludwig Vistalite Big Beat set consisting of:
14” X 22” bass, 16” X 16” floor tom, 8” X 12” ride tom, 9” X 13” ride tom, 5” X 14” snare
Ludwig 201 Speed King bass drum pedal
Ludwig 1124 Spur-lok hit-hat with Ludwig Standard Paiste 14” cymbals (760 & 770 gr) with ching-ring
Two Ludwig Standard S-270 cymbals stands
18” Zildjian crash cymbal (1550 gr) and 20” Zildjian ride cymbal (2130 gr) with CAMCO sizzler
Gibraltar motorcycle seat-style drum throne with backrest
Posted on 8 years ago
#2
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If I was gonna get a Ludwig kit, I`d get that one. I`d pay a thousand for it too.

That kit has heavy hit written all over it.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
#3
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With hydraulic heads it will thunder nice price that's what there worth on a good day a little more

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 8 years ago
#4
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Looks like there is a grey ghost pedal,along with a speed king pedal,plus the acrolite snare,that is 250.00 bucks right there,so 750.00 for eight drums and the hardware is a great deal,considering the condition,and the fact that that kit is a time capsule,very nice example of the Era,drum wise and time wise IMO.

Posted on 8 years ago
#5
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Thanks for all of the replies, guys. I didn't know that was an acrolite snare (hence my ignorance) so I guess that's a good thing. I don't think the ghost pedal is included but maybe it is. I will ask him. I remember him saying he has a "kick ass" customized pedal so maybe he is throwing that in?? I really don't think I can pass this up, especially when it has all of the original hard cases. I am excited to invest some time and energy into learning how to play. As a bassist, I seem to often pull back the drummer to be more in the pocket and not on top of things, particularly when I am singing. Nothing harder than trying to sing when things feel rushed. Maybe I will gain a new appreciation and not be so hard on you all!! LOL

PS One thing he did mention is that front skin on the kick is the original. He has another one that is ported and he says that would sound better than what is on it now. I guess I can try both. Any ideas on that?

Posted on 8 years ago
#6
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From johnhampt

Thanks for all of the replies, guys. I didn't know that was an acrolite snare (hence my ignorance) so I guess that's a good thing. I don't think the ghost pedal is included but maybe it is. I will ask him. I remember him saying he has a "kick ass" customized pedal so maybe he is throwing that in?? I really don't think I can pass this up, especially when it has all of the original hard cases. I am excited to invest some time and energy into learning how to play. As a bassist, I seem to often pull back the drummer to be more in the pocket and not on top of things, particularly when I am singing. Nothing harder than trying to sing when things feel rushed. Maybe I will gain a new appreciation and not be so hard on you all!! LOLPS One thing he did mention is that front skin on the kick is the original. He has another one that is ported and he says that would sound better than what is on it now. I guess I can try both. Any ideas on that?

Try both, see which one you like better. It's all about sound and personal taste. Great deal there, though! That's a lot of drum for little money. Clapping Happy2

Posted on 8 years ago
#7
Posts: 6524 Threads: 37

From johnhampt

Thanks for all of the replies, guys. I didn't know that was an acrolite snare (hence my ignorance) so I guess that's a good thing. I don't think the ghost pedal is included but maybe it is. I will ask him. I remember him saying he has a "kick ass" customized pedal so maybe he is throwing that in?? I really don't think I can pass this up, especially when it has all of the original hard cases. I am excited to invest some time and energy into learning how to play. As a bassist, I seem to often pull back the drummer to be more in the pocket and not on top of things, particularly when I am singing. Nothing harder than trying to sing when things feel rushed. Maybe I will gain a new appreciation and not be so hard on you all!! LOLPS One thing he did mention is that front skin on the kick is the original. He has another one that is ported and he says that would sound better than what is on it now. I guess I can try both. Any ideas on that?

I would keep the original head as long as it is not stretched all the way. As a Bass axe player, you will appreciate the sizes as opposed to jazz players. I play C-Toms, and love them. Tuned to the lowest note, they will carry a note, tuned high, they will be heard for miles. There is always a "sweet" spot that makes them sustain as a T-T would if pointed down.

I don`t know why people don't value them. If all those were not square and had another head, You could get 5, easy, because they have been kept well.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
#8
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Those look to be pretty clean and well cared for. I'd give him a grand for them.

Drum Kits
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Posted on 8 years ago
#9
Posts: 6524 Threads: 37

If you get a 12 and 13 T-T vista`s in smoke, you`ll have a transforming kit for gigging. Like mine, you wont need to transform the BD, floor and snares.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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