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OddBall 01-15-2020 05:26 AM

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That's a whole lot better.

In that last video, if my old bass player was in the same building as that kit, you would not hear that snare shut up. Sometimes there's a little, but if you hear buzz on every single drum note, every bass riff, that snare needs to be tuned. That wheel is on the throw for a reason and it really helps to have a wheel on the butt end too.

I,ll bet anything that's the kind of kid that says,..."these are expensive drums, don't hit them."

OddBall 01-15-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DrumBob (Post 456635)
I noticed the snare buzz, and all the bass drums sounded like dead shoeboxes with that stupid pillow inside. God, I hate that sound. It's so typical of drummers who have no clue that a bass drum should have some resonance to it. I have such a hard time with some of the people I play with, most of whom want a dead bass drum, just a thud.

Most of the time, when I sit in on someone else's drums, they have huge pillows stuffed inside their bass drums. I just want to ask, "Why?"

There's a time and place for the speed metal. You need dead drums to go fast the whole time. But if you go clubbing and take requests, it won't help you at all. I played speed metal for ever and never needed anything inside to kill the BD dead. I like sticking party balloons in there because they move around or something else for show. But a pillow lays on the shell and you have to play dead until you take it out.

When you play speed and dead, you go very lightly and need a hard rubber or wood batter. I drilled and screwed a golf ball on one time. You use your toes and pivot on your heel plate.

vintagemore2000 01-15-2020 08:15 AM

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I though the wmp WFL kit sounded like crap. Eric that is demoing the kit is a bud of mine he's a big time jazzer so it was tuned high, No thanks, I like rock tuning no muffling at all. including the snare drum. snare buzzing included.

johnnyringo 01-15-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OddBall (Post 456645)
There's a time and place for the speed metal. You need dead drums to go fast the whole time. But if you go clubbing and take requests, it won't help you at all. I played speed metal for ever and never needed anything inside to kill the BD dead. I like sticking party balloons in there because they move around or something else for show. But a pillow lays on the shell and you have to play dead until you take it out.

When you play speed and dead, you go very lightly and need a hard rubber or wood batter. I drilled and screwed a golf ball on one time. You use your toes and pivot on your heel plate.

Wow, talk about getting off topic, party balloons and golf balls? Party
Did you think of your members name yourself, or was it thrust upon you?Falling Do

jda 01-15-2020 08:49 AM

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"It's Wayne's World, we just live in it"


DrumBob 01-15-2020 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyringo (Post 456640)
I used a 13,16,22 Slingerland at a big venue with the kick only having a felt strip on the batter side, the first thing the soundman did was stick towels inside it.
https://youtu.be/qUu5B2J7WfU

Of course, that's what sound guys do, mostly because the many of them don't know how to EQ drums properly.

I once had a sound man tape up all my batter heads to the point that there was no ring at all, just a dead thud. In the first set, I pulled all the tape off piece by piece, which made the guy mad. He had no idea how to mic wide open drums.

OddBall 01-15-2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyringo (Post 456650)
Wow, talk about getting off topic, party balloons and golf balls? Party
Did you think of your members name yourself, or was it thrust upon you?Falling Do

I kinda thought you could read and get that I don't use pillows which is on topic but sometimes I put toys in there cuz I feel like a kid sometimes banging away. I kill my BD to play speed crap and included what I do to it. :cool:

I was born standing up and walked out, mom thought it was kinda odd. Walking

O-Lugs 01-15-2020 07:42 PM

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Disagree about vintage drums favoring lower tension. In my observation, they favor HIGHER tension -due to the fact that rounder edges provide more surface area for the mylar to come in contact with...and, as we all know, vintage roundover bearing edges are anything but precise! So the tighter you snug the heads up, the better the contact they make with the entire bearing edge surface -lumpy or not and making a better seal...thus, favoring higher tension. *EDIT And this is also why I often prefer to use a DIPLOMAT weight coated head for batter and resonant...The mylar is thinner and thus more malleable.

As far as these drum comparison videos...I don't really want to hear the bass drum or snare or cymbals that much when making drum comparisons. I tend to judge the sound based on the tom toms. That's why I really like this guys demo videos. He doesn't do comparisons, but he presents the drums in a very nice way with great audio and easy to watch video....

OddBall 01-15-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O-Lugs (Post 456676)
Disagree about vintage drums favoring lower tension. In my observation, they favor HIGHER tension -due to the fact that rounder edges provide more surface area for the mylar to come in contact with...and, as we all know, vintage roundover bearing edges are anything but precise! So the tighter you snug the heads up, the better the contact they make with the entire bearing edge surface -lumpy or not and making a better seal...thus, favoring higher tension. *EDIT And this is also why I often prefer to use a DIPLOMAT weight coated head for batter and resonant...The mylar is thinner and thus more malleable.

As far as these drum comparison videos...I don't really want to hear the bass drum or snare or cymbals that much when making drum comparisons. I tend to judge the sound based on the tom toms. That's why I really like this guys demo videos. He doesn't do comparisons, but he presents the drums in a very nice way with great audio and easy to watch video....
FRANCO DAL MONEGO PLAYS GRETSCH ROUNDBADGE VINTAGE 60's SILVER SPARKLE JAZZ SET 18/12/14 - YouTube

I like mine the way they are, 45 with floating heads. Very little shell contact at all. Sharp and short notes. I wax them and don't get a lot of that cracking and skipping I hear my friend's drums do when we tune his. I find fine tuning more precise with less shell contact. Tight or lose, little shell contact is what I like.

OddBall 01-15-2020 08:09 PM

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Oh, and thin heads last a day on my kit. I get sink holes in the middle.


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