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johnnyringo 01-12-2020 09:52 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
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Originally Posted by jda (Post 456551)
that's where individuality comes in.
These drums are all tuned to that "one sound". That One sound" is flat. Make em flat. If you flatten 18 brands of tire; take the air all out; you have 18 flat tires.

Pump em full of Air (TENSION the Drums) THEN you'd get the differences.

The above is in, the Wayne and Garth style , (way? no way) school of drumming.
There's so much commonality among you tube in nearly every video demo.

Like stuck in Rock 1972.

From my experience, there ain't a whole lot of difference between Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers or Gretsch. You may think there is because of your biased for a certain company. I've played cheapo drums that sounded every bit as good as their expensive counterparts. Everyone has their favorites, mine happens to be Ludwig, mainly because of their history and who played them.

jda 01-12-2020 10:14 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
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Originally Posted by johnnyringo (Post 456555)
From my experience, there ain't a whole lot of difference between Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers or Gretsch. You may think there is because of your biased for a certain company. I've played cheapo drums that sounded every bit as good as their expensive counterparts. Everyone has their favorites, mine happens to be Ludwig, mainly because of their history and who played them.

Well, I'm not biased. I've played them all And I love all the main brands. And they all have their own character. Sometimes deep character...differences...
But if you're going to flatten down all the toms, throw a pillow and a hole in the bass drum, and put the same 400 metal snare to each one..what do you expect..
Neutered would be the word.

"Lookie ther, we got 15 cats all different colors, but each one's been neutered real good. Can't tell a one from the other"..
Then we're going to run the same mics on them, on the same day, played by the same guy pick the difference!
Should have been titled how to 'the best of our ability' make 7 drum sets sound the same We can do it!
Add our special brew free open stage blues night jam hive 4th grade mentality slugger drumming on top of it. Um um good.
That's some good eating right there.

no. It's 2020 and it's pathetic. :) And (worst of all) "they're dumbing down" an ancient-ancient serious-serious art.
The only name stamped on their bus card is "rock". That's what their heads are full..
Take another path please, another journey and arrive at a better destination..

johnnyringo 01-12-2020 10:32 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
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Originally Posted by jda (Post 456556)
Well, I'm not biased. I've played them all And I love all the main brands. And they all have their own character. Sometimes deep character...
But if you're going to flatten down all the toms, throw a pillow and a hole in the bass drum, and put the same 400 metal snare to each one..what do you expect..
Neutered would be the word.

"Lookie ther, we got 15 cats all different colors, but each one's been neutered real good. Can't tell a one from the other"..
Then we're going to run the same mics on them, on the same day, played by the same guy pick the difference!
Should have been titled how to make 7 drumsets sound the same We can do it!

The snare was not the focus of this comparison, that's why he used the same one on each kit. What ever difference you may hear on the kits you've had is subtle at best. I've tuned the same configuration of different kits high, low and in between with little to no muffling, using coated Ambassadors on all of them, not much difference. And why would there be? They're just drums made with wood and metal. The edges and heads make most of the difference in the sound which like I said is subtle.

jda 01-12-2020 10:45 PM

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Yes but the snare was part of the sound. Not it's not subtle. You take 3 ply 5x14 wood 60s snare from Ludwig. And take a 60s wood snare same number of lug from Gretrsch (two that I have (among others) and they are a World apart.
This getting silly now.
Are all cars the same? they each got you down to the Stop and Go. doesn't make them the same. There isn't a nut similar to either. Maybe a washer.
Why would they be? Because they're different.

Well the heads are all the same that's true. So that'd be the tires. Everything else is different. Any way who cares? I'm done. For now ;)

johnnyringo 01-12-2020 10:58 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
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Originally Posted by jda (Post 456559)
Yes but the snare was part of the sound. Not it's not subtle. You take 3 ply 5x14 wood 60s snare from Ludwig. And take a 60s wood snare same number of lug from Gretrsch (two that I have (among others) and they are a World apart.
This getting silly now.
Are all cars the same? they each got you down to the Stop and Go. doesn't make them the same. There isn't a nut similar to either. Maybe a washer.
Why would they be? Because they're different.

Well the heads are all the same that's true. So that'd be the tires. Everything else is different. Any way who cares? I'm done. For now ;)

Again, the snare was not the focus! He was comparing toms and kick drums. Of course different snares would sound different, on the snare, it wouldn't change the sound of the toms or kick. What the heck?
That's like saying different cymbals will make the drums sound different, you're right about one thing though, this is getting silly.
And ya, cars are pretty much the same too. You may get more gadgets and excelleration in more expensive cars, but when it comes down to it, a Toyota will probably last longer than that Mercedes you may dream about.Excited

jda 01-12-2020 11:09 PM

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ps. The snare (along with the bass drum and then the floor tom and the small tom) sets the tone of the entire set.

'He' would have been better off ....not using a snare at all. (if he didn't have the matching wood snare that went with each set) And just played toms and bass. (but that wouldn't be 70s rock now would it (unless you're ginger baker..)

Snare's your first Voice (next to bass) on a set. ( and he uses the same one thru out)

As far as Cars when they all are run by the same Samsung battery there will be less differences.. but until then.

pps. The snare is the focus of any set!

johnnyringo 01-12-2020 11:30 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
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Originally Posted by jda (Post 456562)
ps. The snare (along with the bass drum and then the floor tom and the small tom) sets the tone of the entire set.

'He' would have been better off ....not using a snare at all. (if he didn't have the matching wood snare that went with each set) And just played toms and bass. (but that wouldn't be 70s rock now would it (unless you're ginger baker..)

Snare's your first Voice (next to bass) on a set. ( and he uses the same one thru out)

As far as Cars when they all are run by the same Samsung battery there will be less differences.. but until then.

pps. The snare is the focus of any set!

Not on this video, at the very end he only plays the toms and kick, that's what the video was about, why is this so difficult to comprehend?

jda 01-13-2020 12:03 AM

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I already said what I thought.

johnnyringo 01-13-2020 02:05 AM

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If he was testing different snares he wouldn't need a whole kit to demonstrate the difference. By using the same snare for each kit he was taking the attention away from the snare, only using it to be able to hear the kit played and not just hitting the toms and kick drums. It made total sense.

JimmySticks 01-13-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jda (Post 456554)

And I don't mean Joe Morello. I mean Ornette Coleman. A deep dive into jazz. These drum demos (80% on youtube) (mycymbal, dcnh and the like) are all the the 2ft.- 4ft. wading pool of drumming.

Wow, I love Joe Morello. I always thought he was pretty deep.Mind Blowi

Next you'll tell me Buddy Rich wasn't the greatest drummer ever!:D


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