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Delorso 08-17-2020 06:40 PM

Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
I'm wondering if any of you can help me date this drum. As you can see, the tag says Cleveland and has a 4 digit serial, but I know that's not necessarily an accurate measure. The Clockface is elongated, and I thought those didn't start appearing until after 1967, so I'm thinking maybe it was actually assembled in Dayton? I've included some other pictures as well, as I'm sure there are other clues I'm overlooking. Thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/qFnyFg7.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/wlrH2OC.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/F5FfHWY.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/CQeGCyQ.jpg?1

Delorso 08-17-2020 06:41 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
And here are a few more:

https://i.imgur.com/VZEPr1D.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/0FvBemb.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/SPac4Xg.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/y4rYGvD.jpg?1

kdg 08-17-2020 07:42 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Butt plate is the new re-issue version. Not sure about the rims as the pics are too close. Rogers rims had ears that were sharply down-turned. My dating chart says around 1965.
Great drum though. That brass shell is perfect for playing latin music, as it gives off a really good Timbale sound.

leedybdp 08-17-2020 09:31 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Irrespective of saying Cleveland or Dayton on the tag inside the drum, the Ohio-made drums were all made in the factory in Covington. The business office was in Cleveland before it moved to Dayton.

levelpebble 08-17-2020 09:32 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Elongated clockface started in 1964 I'm pretty sure.

Delorso 08-17-2020 09:54 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leedybdp (Post 463104)
Irrespective of saying Cleveland or Dayton on the tag inside the drum, the Ohio-made drums were all made in the factory in Covington. The business office was in Cleveland before it moved to Dayton.

Right, of course. I meant Fullerton. Iíve heard that when they moved there they still had a surplus of the older tags they sometimes used.

Delorso 08-18-2020 03:02 AM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kdg (Post 463103)
Butt plate is the new re-issue version. Not sure about the rims as the pics are too close. Rogers rims had ears that were sharply down-turned. My dating chart says around 1965.
Great drum though. That brass shell is perfect for playing latin music, as it gives off a really good Timbale sound.

Good info, thanks! I'll take some pictures of the rims and upload tomorrow. And I agree, the drum sounds great.

Delorso 08-18-2020 03:12 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Here are a couple more, less close up, if that's helpful. Thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/s7g9VKO.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/AogbuLh.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/thjh1Pb.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/tpauPfN.jpg?1

kdg 08-18-2020 04:24 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
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The top hoop is not a Rogers, but the bottom could be.
Here is a pic of my Powertone (#14664) from 1966:

Delorso 08-18-2020 08:01 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Yeah, I can see the difference, thanks. That's a beautiful drum you've got there. And I'm sure it sounds as good as it looks.
My White Whale is that in a green sparkle to go with the rest of my kit, but in the meantime this COB will do just fine!

kdg 08-18-2020 09:19 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
I've also got a COB Powertone that I bought to cover until I found this Blue Glass Glitter for the matching Rogers kit I had acquired a few years before. Green Sparkle or Green Glass Glitter is sweet! I'm sure you'll find it eventually. Good luck!

Dan Boucher 08-19-2020 06:07 AM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
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Here is a clip from the now world famous Rogers Dating Guide. It suggest 1965, as noted by others above. Also, agree that the top hoop is not correct, butt plate is not original, etc. Nice drum. A bit of time finding the right parts will be a worthwhile effort. Enjoy it!

Regarding the difference between top and bottom hoops, you will notice as someone mentioned, that the seat for a Rogers tension rod is quite distinct. It is not very wide, the sweep of the sides is very tight and the hole is the same dimension in each direction. Rogers was fairly precise in building the various parts and locating them on the shell. That is why they could make such nice looking and precise hoops. Other companies tended to take a bit more liberty, and of course, almost all drum makers do that nowadays. This allows for the rods to be a bit more out of line in cases where the location of any one tension casing is not perfectly aligned. So there is more wiggle room and the hole is more elongated. Just another little Rogers detail courtesy of their engineer, Joe Thompson.

leedybdp 08-19-2020 08:56 AM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
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Several years ago I glommed on to a chrome over brass Cleveland label Powertone that was on the odds and ends table at a guitar show. It was missing the throw-off. They guy sold it to me for $100. I had an elongated clock face strainer at home. Within ten minutes, I had a complete and very clean Powertone snare. This drum was a perfect companion to my 1966 Rogers Top Hat set that I acquired earlier this year. Then, fate smiled on me when a VDF and Facebook friend gifted me a 1966 Rogers Luxor snare in perfectly matching Silver Glass Glitter to my drum set. I prefer smaller drum sets. But, I just couldn't resist the urge to re-wrap an old set of Ludwig bongos to match this Rogers set.

DRUMR69 08-19-2020 11:34 AM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leedybdp (Post 463152)
Several years ago I glommed on to a chrome over brass Cleveland label Powertone that was on the odds and ends table at a guitar show. It was missing the throw-off. They guy sold it to me for $100. I had an elongated clock face strainer at home. Within ten minutes, I had a complete and very clean Powertone snare. This drum was a perfect companion to my 1966 Rogers Top Hat set that I acquired earlier this year. Then, fate smiled on me when a VDF and Facebook friend gifted me a 1966 Rogers Luxor snare in perfectly matching Silver Glass Glitter to my drum set. I prefer smaller drum sets. But, I just couldn't resist the urge to re-wrap an old set of Ludwig bongos to match this Rogers set.

Leedybdp, You got all bases covered there.
Nice kit

Wayne

leedybdp 08-19-2020 11:40 AM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Thanks, friend. Well........It would be nice if I had a 14x14 matching floor tom. But, people offering those for sale want over $1,000 and your first-born child...PLUS SHIPPING. I would seriously consider a look-alike 14x14 made from a donor drum shell or a new aftermarket shell with salvaged real hardware.

Delorso 08-19-2020 02:09 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Boucher (Post 463146)
Here is a clip from the now world famous Rogers Dating Guide. It suggest 1965, as noted by others above. Also, agree that the top hoop is not correct, butt plate is not original, etc. Nice drum. A bit of time finding the right parts will be a worthwhile effort. Enjoy it!

Regarding the difference between top and bottom hoops, you will notice as someone mentioned, that the seat for a Rogers tension rod is quite distinct. It is not very wide, the sweep of the sides is very tight and the hole is the same dimension in each direction. Rogers was fairly precise in building the various parts and locating them on the shell. That is why they could make such nice looking and precise hoops. Other companies tended to take a bit more liberty, and of course, almost all drum makers do that nowadays. This allows for the rods to be a bit more out of line in cases where the location of any one tension casing is not perfectly aligned. So there is more wiggle room and the hole is more elongated. Just another little Rogers detail courtesy of their engineer, Joe Thompson.

Thank you. I love stuff like this, the attention to detail they had when making these drums! Looking at it now, I believe both top and bottom hoops are not correct, so I guess I'll go on the hunt. I will have the original butt plate back in my possession soon at least (though it's pretty pitted).

Delorso 08-19-2020 02:19 PM

Re: Cleveland Powertone COB date?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leedybdp (Post 463152)
Several years ago I glommed on to a chrome over brass Cleveland label Powertone that was on the odds and ends table at a guitar show. It was missing the throw-off. They guy sold it to me for $100. I had an elongated clock face strainer at home. Within ten minutes, I had a complete and very clean Powertone snare. This drum was a perfect companion to my 1966 Rogers Top Hat set that I acquired earlier this year. Then, fate smiled on me when a VDF and Facebook friend gifted me a 1966 Rogers Luxor snare in perfectly matching Silver Glass Glitter to my drum set. I prefer smaller drum sets. But, I just couldn't resist the urge to re-wrap an old set of Ludwig bongos to match this Rogers set.

Such a cool kit. Typically I prefer smaller ones as well, but in this case I wouldn't change a thing. I love when floor toms have those extra knobby mounts for cymbals or whatever. I wish mine had one, and would consider installing one, but am way too fearful of retribution from the Rogers Gods.


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