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Need advice on shell repair...

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I posted this on Ghostnote.net 3yrs ago, but the thread kinda moved in the direction of dating my drum. I've since acquired a 2nd, nearly identical drum, but I still want to repair the first.

Here's the skinny: It's an old, 32" Ludwig bass drum. Probably early 60's, or older. Mahogany/Poplar/Mahogany shell with re-rings, Imperial lugs, and it originally had factory mounts (similar or possibly identical to the tom mount that went on the top of standard-sized, "drumset" bass drums) on either side, for mounting in a concert carrier.

That last detail was the subject of debate over on Ghostnet. My "new" late-60's 32" bass drum is essentially the same--Imperial lugs, same shell--but has those mounts still attached. They were clearly part of a carrier system.

ANYWAY... On one side of the shell, the mount was pulled or something. Clearly it over-stressed the shell, and caused some damage.

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2048723744_8f30e1ee0b_o.jpg[/img]

And a little closer:

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2140/2048723748_bca033ae1d_o.jpg[/img]

And... from the inside...

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2342/2048723754_1e0b536481_o.jpg[/img]

You can see that the damaged area has flattened out a bit. I'd imagine that that particular area of the shell would need to somehow be re-contoured to match the curvature of the shell.

The big hole in the center is probably almost 2" in diameter. I'd also like for it, as well as its twin brother on the opposite side to go away.

When Flickr stops being idiotic, I'll upload pics of my "new" 32" drum for a shot of those mounts.

Are these repairs too much to consider, or should a good repairman be able to handle this?

Just looking for a few opinions...

Thanks,

~Jon

Current gigging set:
Recent Ludwig Accent 13/16/18/26, (in Silver Sparkle), "updated" 70's Acrolite with cast batter hoop and Trick strainer/butt

Cymbals:
Zildjian K Custom Ride, Dream (Bliss and Contact) crashes and hats, and a Sabian Swish/China.

Other stuff:
60's Ludwig Champagne Sparkle "Traveler's Club Date", under construction. Click Here
70's Acrolite (under RE-construction)
Two 1960's mahogany 32" Ludwig bass drums with Imperial lugs.
Posted on 13 years ago
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jonrpick,

I`m a carpenter and have delt with all kinds of plywoods and damage to them. Maybe the wrap can be fixed with clear glue set in with a pointed funel and then with a heat gun roll it down with a seam roller, and the mount could cover the missing pieces.....

...But, that plywood is splintered all the way through and has no strenghth to it at all, I would cut that out rafter to rafter and replace it, ..you can`t,..nothing to bridge over to,...

To steal a line from a Gordon Lightfoot song,....."The captain wired in he had water comming in and the good ship and crew was imperelled,....and later that night when his lights went out of sight,...came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald !!....

It would cost way too much for a talented person like me to cut a strip out with a 45 (or whatever the angle is) degree bevel and replace it with curved piece with the opposite bevel , glued and clamped, sanded and refinished to match inside,...but what would you do with the wrap issue ??

Let her go down !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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Have to agree with Oddball.

I'm also a carpenter and have done numerous repairs on drums.

But that one is toast.

Unless you have lot's of patients and another drum you can cut a piece out of it's gonna take one heck of a lot of work.

The wrap is far to gone also. Looks like brittle glass.

Joe


“I did not trip and fall. I attacked the floor and I believe I am winning.”
Posted on 13 years ago
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probaly the best bet is to say good night irene and start looking for a sutible replacement. even if a qualified skilled labour fixes it. and not to mention the cost. there no garantie that it would last. the tom post and the toms would add so much stress and weight that eventulay you would have re ocurring problems with it. just my advice good luck i know it sucks

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Have to agree with Oddball.Unless you have lot's of patients and another drum you can cut a piece out of...

This would be the drum you cut pieces out of to fix other drums.

Posted on 13 years ago
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If he had another broken shell,...yes. If this drum was 1/2",..it would be better to use a drum 5/8" of the same material, this gives you plus stock to sand down and hide the joints. You need to cut the strip from one edge to the other,..a small patch would never hold the weight or stay in long cuz it would have four sides weakened !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
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If you don`t know how to take the numbers or do the cut,..you`ll be re-try`n foreva !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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I forgot to mention, the wrap is long gone...already removed.

One thing that was recommended was fiberglassing the hole and sanding and filling until the outer contour matched. I figured that recovering it would be the only option--cosmetically. The hardware that once occupied that hole didn't come with the drum and will never be replaced.

However, as mentioned, there is a lot of good wood left here, and my "new" 32" drum has the exact same holes with the mounts still in place. I hadn't considered it, but it would be possible to use a section of this shell to repair/replace the wood in my newer shell. It would still require beveling the holes and a lot of hand-fitting to make the patch fit. Still, that's. a fairly viable option.

Hmm...

Thoughts???

~Jon

Current gigging set:
Recent Ludwig Accent 13/16/18/26, (in Silver Sparkle), "updated" 70's Acrolite with cast batter hoop and Trick strainer/butt

Cymbals:
Zildjian K Custom Ride, Dream (Bliss and Contact) crashes and hats, and a Sabian Swish/China.

Other stuff:
60's Ludwig Champagne Sparkle "Traveler's Club Date", under construction. Click Here
70's Acrolite (under RE-construction)
Two 1960's mahogany 32" Ludwig bass drums with Imperial lugs.
Posted on 13 years ago
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Yes you could. Keep in mind,..the inside is smaller than the outside. Your filler piece should be larger at the inside face of the hole to accomidate for blade with. Bevel it slightly, not alot, hammer it in after you apply the glue (wood glue that`s waterproof) and it should tighten up before becomming flush, (like a wine barrel bunghole plug). cover the plug so you don`t get hammer marks on it. It should be sticking up a little and you can sand in the direction of the grain til it is flush. If you take your time and hand sand, you can really hide the joint well. Fill in the outside face wth fiberglass or wood filler then sand smooth. You wont see that. Be sure to cover all mateing sufaces with glue.(the plug and the drum).

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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This poor little fella is just too far gone Rolf, he'll have to be humanely euthanised. Hmmm cha, ahaaaa cha, ahmmm cha, ahaaaa. Sun a rise, early in da mornin'...

Posted on 13 years ago
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