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How would describe these cymbal sounds?

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I really love the ride cymbal sounds in the following links. My question is:

What types of cymbals (old A's/K's? sizes/weights? a specific era maybe?) should i be after to get these type of sounds?

Here are the links:

#1 (go to :51 sec in)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ769enS62M[/ame]

(Yeah, yeah, the Disney cartoon is corny but my kids were watching it and the sound of the cymbal really caught my ear. The audio is better in the first link but this second link of the "video" of this old peggy lee recording i'm sure would also interest many of you. What kind of kit is that? The snare looks just like my light blue pearl '59 slingerland.)

(go to :40 sec in)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3hrVaVzP0&feature=related[/ame]

Ah, but I digress. Here's the second cool cymbal sound. This clip was linked to a while back in a thread from a member on this forum, who is the drummer. I love the sound of the cymbal he's riding at the start of the tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3ZQRz9AE0&feature=player_embedded#!

To me, the cymbals in both clips sound old, jazzy, dark and trashy. If anyone can direct me to specific type/weight/year etc etc... of cymbals that sound like these, I would appreciate it!! Any info would be helpful. Or, if anyone has any to sell ... hmm ...

Posted on 14 years ago
#1
Posts: 53 Threads: 10

Great videos!! Classic!

Sorry I can't help with the cymbal though. DOH

Early 60's WMP Slingerland Model 1N "Krupa Kit" 9X13, 16X16, 16X18, 14X22, 1956 WMP Student Radio King.

Early 70's Walnut Slingerland "Mini Krupa Kit" 8X12, 14X14, 16X16, 14X22, 1955 Mahogany 4X13 "Junior" snare with tube lugs & 3 point strainer.

Late 70's Maple Slingerland 6-8-10 concert toms, 8X12, 9X13, 10X14, 16X16, 16X18, 2 - 14X22, COB Krupa & COW Rich snares.

Working on a 70's Maple Slingerland 8X12, 15X15, 16X18, 14X22, "nesting" kit, 1958 Maple Student Radio King.

jags
Posted on 14 years ago
#2
Posts: 53 Threads: 10

OK, Maybe I can help a bit with the cymbals. Look close at the video and the first important thing to note is that he is playing with brushes. Also look at the top cymbal of the hats. It has a square bell like a china cymbal and when he does that hi hat accent hits you can definately hear the trashiness of that cymbal. The ride looks to be about 16" or so and yes it does have a very distinctive sound, especially being played with brushes. It almost sounds like a heavier weight cymbal as it has a bit of "clangyness" to it.

In that live clip he is using sticks but the cymbal has that same "clangyness". You can see that it also looks like a 16" and I would guess medium weight. Also he is crashing on what looks like a 20" ride and if you look closly that ride has a "chain" lying on top giving it a "rivet sizzle" effect.

I think one way to get close to finding something with that sound is to play any cymbal you can get your hands on using brushes. If you find one that sounds close it should be a clue to size and weight. Then just try to find something vintage that may match.

This will now become your "Holy Grail"!!!

Good luck my friend and thanks again for those great video clips!!! Clapping Happy2

Early 60's WMP Slingerland Model 1N "Krupa Kit" 9X13, 16X16, 16X18, 14X22, 1956 WMP Student Radio King.

Early 70's Walnut Slingerland "Mini Krupa Kit" 8X12, 14X14, 16X16, 14X22, 1955 Mahogany 4X13 "Junior" snare with tube lugs & 3 point strainer.

Late 70's Maple Slingerland 6-8-10 concert toms, 8X12, 9X13, 10X14, 16X16, 16X18, 2 - 14X22, COB Krupa & COW Rich snares.

Working on a 70's Maple Slingerland 8X12, 15X15, 16X18, 14X22, "nesting" kit, 1958 Maple Student Radio King.

jags
Posted on 14 years ago
#3
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Thanks for the info, Jags.

If nothing else, you guys should really watch that Peggy Lee clip. It IS classic. Go to :40 sec in. (There, I've just saved you 40 seconds.)

Posted on 14 years ago
#4
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i'd say the ride in the #1 clip is a fairly heavy smaller diam. 18inch cymbal.or smaller even as it has a pretty high tone for a ride and a quick decay. It sounds very old school.

Posted on 14 years ago
#5
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Just for S&G's - here's some close-ups of the drums ... any I.D.'s ?

- The year was 1955.

Posted on 14 years ago
#6
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From lovethemgretsch

Just for S&G's - here's some close-ups of the drums ... any I.D.'s ?

OMG! Isn't that Ringo's snare? Quick! Somebody photoshop some red circles on the picture so that it looks like we're comparing it to Ringo's snare...

1970 Ludwig Downbeat
1965 Ludwig Hollywood
1970 Ludwig Jazzette
Posted on 14 years ago
#7
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From hislordgecoship

i'd say the ride in the #1 clip is a fairly heavy smaller diam. 18inch cymbal.or smaller even as it has a pretty high tone for a ride and a quick decay. It sounds very old school.

I agree 100% on all of the above. And this one is most likely an old A.

I would say to come as close to this as possible I would recommend a large stamp. That's mid 1950's and they are often like this one. High tone, dark background, quick decay. Yeah that's it in a nutshell.

Posted on 14 years ago
#8
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Thanks everybody for the valuable info and insight. Ah, I love this site!

Posted on 14 years ago
#9
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I actually have a cymbal that I think has some of those characteristics. I'll post it here to see shorty to see if it's anything that might interest you.

Posted on 14 years ago
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