If you've got a single-ply head at low-to-medium tension and put it in front of a heavy hitter playing rock... I think you know the results. ;)

In a nutshell, hitting a head too hard causes dents. Exactly how hard is too hard depends on a few things like the type and thickness of heads, the kind of stick being used, and yes, the tension of the head. Loose heads do dent more easily than tight ones.

As for black marks, those are often caused when sticks transfer dirt (or maybe even patina?) from cymbals.

Put a new head on it and she'll be good as new. And if the guys at the bar were as nice as you, they'd spot you $20 to pay for the "rental" and the wear & tear on your head.

thanks skydog75. I"ve reheaded it $15.00 is what the new head cost me. i've learned a very valuable lesson. DON'T LOAN YOUR EQUIPMENT TO IDIOTS!!!!! I was so P.O'd the total lack of respect for other peoples equipment. Sure I may of only paid a hundred dollars for the drum and the new heads another thirty bucks but that no reason to distroy the head on the drum. One of the people that played the drum was it's previous owner of the snare. He said everything was to loose, compared to what he had it tuned to before he sold it. WELL the bottom head the snare wire had worn thru the bottom head, every tension rod sqeeked when I started to disassemble the drum to claen and re head the drum !!!! he had the drum way to tight everywhereLame.

I really fell he did it just because I've cleaned up the drum and made it pretty and sound the way a Dynosonic is suppose to sound, and he couldn't get it to sound like I did, so he wrecked the head just to get back at me!As far as the bar paying me rental and wear and tearLaughing H never will happen. I loaned it at my own risk is what they will tell me.

Thanks again for the insight. I'll never loan my equipment to people I can't trust to not distroy my stuff D' Drummer

There's an old saying that goes something like this ...

I found a pair of brown leather shoes on sale. I paid only two dollars. I loaned them to my friend. He put them in a pot of hot grease and fried them up.

Did it really matter that you only paid two dollars?

Respect is something that can indeed be quantified.

Good rule. And here's a corollary: Assume everyone is an idiot until they prove otherwise. Seriously, you want to make sure people respect their own gear before you lend them yours.

Loaning out your gear really is at your own risk, but in this case you did it for something that benefits them. The least they could do -- or at least, should do -- is to pay off that favor and make things right for the price of a few drinks. Heck, they could even offer you a few free drinks to make up for the head and that wouldn't cost the house more than a couple bucks.

Keep in mind what Leo Durocher said about nice guys.

I've supplied drums at jams many times. If someone is abusing my drums, I take immediate action. In 15 years, I've only had to kick heavy hitters off twice, with the full support of the jam leaders.

If you let your drum sit out there all night without paying attention to who was playing it and how, then consider yourself lucky that the stupidity tax was only $15, or that you didn't lend a cymbal.

I happen to use heavier sticks with large beads (VF Terry Bozzio), so I've dented a few heads in my day without trying that hard. I always offer to replace heads if I dent someone else's, and have yet to be taken up on that. Point being is that dents come with the territory.

yes I got off cheap!!!! #1 player of the snare that night, I'd loaned him my V.F. Steve Smith tala-wands (birch) a month or so ago to use for a song that needed brushes and he didn't have any so up jumps mark and gives him my tala-wands and he broke one of the dalles off hitting the edge of a cymbalMind Blowi so there was another $20.00 bucks:D Again I've broke off a dalle on my bamboo set (purple) by doing the same thing. So HELLO we don't do that any morecrying2-07. I've only been doing this about a year and I'm learnig fast but expensively:o

I'm just glad this site is here Kiss this site has given my a ton of information and have always given me correct facts

THANKS

mark w.

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Mr. Pearl

Two turns above finger tight on top, two and a half turns above finger tight on bottom. Perfection for a Rogers superten, powertone, or dynasonic.

Ive still got pre pie remo ambassador heads on powertones and dynasonics that have a lot of life left in them and sound great, and they are YEARS old.

They were too loose.

I had a buddy come over to take a look at my kit. He has tons more experience than I do. I had an ambassador on my metal snare tuned pretty tight. Been playing it for several months with no dents. 5 minutes on it and my buddy put 2 dents in the head. I just continue to use the head that way and try not to look at the dents when I play.

"What causes dents"?

1-Teenagers

2-cheap heads

3-wrong angle for some players

4-Adults,that think they,re teenagers.