Finding the right type face when creating a fake logo can be quite a chore – looks like they failed.

Without doubt, this cymbal is a fraud. I say this for at least half a dozen reasons, most but not all of which were already covered over at Cymbalholic.

When I first laid eyes on that photo, I immediately had to conclude that this cymbal simply didn't pass the initial "smell test". Then when closer examination revealed red flad after red flag, those initial suspicions were further confirmed. This one is definitely a fake, and its really not that good of one either; and for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which I'm sure would be the way it sounds when played.

That's something that cannot be faked.

I actually find this one very funny. About a year ago I proposed that a cymbal stamp could have been hand etched. My suggestion was dismissed. Everyone knew better than me. "No one would bother with a stamp forgery". HA!

NOW who's laughing Mrs Greenbaum. I don't seem so mad now do I, you haggard old coot.

Well it appears that somebody finally did. But when they find out that they can't sell these for $2K apiece like they wanted, then maybe they'll think twice before spending the money time and effort on trying to fake a trademark again.

And while they're at it they'll also need to try and fake something else that will be even more difficult, and that would be the signature. You may have noticed that they didn't even make an attempt at that.

Some one could eventually come up with a good stamp match, by designing a stamp and putting it into the cymbal. The only problem (and a problem that still hasn't been solved by the modern cymbal-makers) is, how do you duplicate the hand-made K. Zildjian? They just fall short. If they could ever do that, they could make good money by selling them and putting their own name on them.

Yes, thank you. That was my arguement of old.

But their counting on those who buy based on trademark alone, and who no doubt will not get a chance to hear them first. By the time they get the cymbal and realize that it isn't what it should be, it will be too late.

If somebody miracaculously discovers a crate of these cymbals in Turkey, then beware.

I would be much more inclined to beieve such a story if that crate had been discovered in let's say, Poughkeepsie. But in Istanbul? The home of more than half a dozen old world style cymbal manufacturers? Not likely to be genuine.

Also if you see any "K." cymbal thats claimed to be N.O.S. but it lacks a signature, then right off the bat thats a dead giveaway. Stay away from it.

Heh, well I live in Poughkeepsie and about a year or so ago I miraculously discovered a "genuine" 18" old "K." sitting on the floor of a local music shop here with a bunch of other used cymbals. Not a crate of them, but I was happy to bring this one home for 80 bucks in N.O.S condition, signature and all. And yes, you can believe this story, because it really did happen. Sorry, couldn't resist. Long time lurker, first post :-)

HA....that's great. Good for you.

Keep looking for that undiscovered crate. Rumor has it that its buried in a time capsule somewhere near the center of town. Time to break out that old metal detector.

I thought it was a fake from the moment the thread appeared. It just didn't look right. I was amazed that a bunch of people at cymbalholic initially got so excited about this "find" until calmer heads started to prevail..