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2 questions, stamps and HH pairs

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Ok i bought a pair of 12 HH A zildjian and they definetly are a matched set but the top(lighter of the tw, 405g) doesn't have a stamp anywhere on it. Here is a pic of the stamp of the bottom hat(450g)

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/12HH40sstamp.jpg[/IMG]

I was wondering if not stamping one of the cymbals in a pair was common in the earlier years? I'm guessing this is an early stamp maybe mid 40's before the trans stamp? Correct me if i'm wrong.

My next question is, i have a pair of 16" cymbals that i'm thinking are actually hihats. I bought them from a guy who claims he hasn't played them since the early 70's and used them as crashes. They both have 50's trans stamps and he claimed he bought them used in the 60's. I'm thinking the original owner may have played them as hihats based on the wear of the outside edge. The edges are quite sharp too. Profile is about average, not too much of a bow to it.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2290.jpg[/IMG]

They weigh in at 1010g/1075g and actually sound great as hihats. The thinner one makes a nice crash too but still sound better paired up.

Any oppinions on if they were probably matched up from the factory as hihats? I gave les than 250.00 for the pair so i don't have a ton in them.

Gary.

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Posted on 14 years ago
#1
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As to your first question, as a rule they never failed to put a stamp on both hi-hats. But I would like to see a picture of the other cymbal that its matched up with, both front and back.

And I would say that the 2nd pair were likely to have been foundry matched.

Posted on 14 years ago
#2
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I'll try to get some pics today. The cymbals are virtually identical profile and lathing match up as to same make and quality.

Gary.

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Posted on 14 years ago
#3
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Ok, i'll start with pics of the cymbal WITH the Zildjian stamp. 450g bottom hihat 12".

Sorry the pics are so big i'll do this in two post!

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2298.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2297.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2302.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2303.jpg[/IMG]

I've tried to get similar views from each cymbal. Continued on next post with top non-stamp cymbal 405g

Gary.

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Posted on 14 years ago
#4
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Here is the one WITHOUT the stamp 12" hihat 405g top.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2311.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2310.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2308.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2309.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/100_2305.jpg[/IMG]

It may not seem like it in the photos but the non-stamp seems to have slightly finer lathing on the top. Both bells are the same shape as well as profile of cymbal. Both has nice bottom hammering on them too.

Gary.

Gary.

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Posted on 14 years ago
#5
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I'd say the other is a Zildjian too. Looks like a twin to the top one.

Sans trademark for some reason. Such things have happened before although very rarely. Maybe somebody was having a bad day that day and just forgot.

Posted on 14 years ago
#6
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Thanks Bill, your in-site is second to none. Another note i see a "comma" in the lower left side that you have mentioned in other publications/post. Is this the marking that you make reference to?

Gary.

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Posted on 14 years ago
#7
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Yes, but I find the comma on the lower right at the bottom of the "U".

Posted on 14 years ago
#8
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Hmmm... yes i see what you mean by that. Any idea what the little marks beside the Made in USA are?Those are the ones i thought you were talking about.

BTW i have a 11" cymbal(same stamp) with a slight impression of S.A. directly under the Made in USA with very very light made in... It can barely be made out and can not be photographed with my camera.

Thanks again for this cool info. Your research has really inspired me to look closely at what i purchase and have enjoyed collecting vintage A's since they are still somewhat affordable!

Gary.

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12,13,16,20, 14x5 snare
Fibes crystallite-14x5.5 snare
Posted on 14 years ago
#9
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From gSonor

Hmmm... yes i see what you mean by that. Any idea what the little marks beside the Made in USA are?Those are the ones i thought you were talking about. BTW i have a 11" cymbal(same stamp) with a slight impression of S.A. directly under the Made in USA with very very light made in... It can barely be made out and can not be photographed with my camera. Thanks again for this cool info. Your research has really inspired me to look closely at what i purchase and have enjoyed collecting vintage A's since they are still somewhat affordable!Gary.

Those other 3 are all artisan mark identifiers. Each one of those is of other types. There are about 6 or 7 types of these that I've identified on multiple examples. They appear at specific certain locations relative to the trademark and each one has been named according to what it looks like.

Posted on 14 years ago
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