Yes I do know that. Wasn't that precisely the point I was making?

CHECKMATE

I'll say it again: listening to an mp3 quality recording of a cymbal recorded with an unknown mic through an unknown signal path and thinking that you have an idea what that cymbal sounds like is bonkers.

You could take one of my cymbals that sounds so-so and make it sound better than it does by recording it a certain way and take one of my favorites and make it sound so-so. But you cant record any of my cymbals and end up with what they actually sound like, and my mics and signal path are pretty much top end.

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. I've had a lot of old K's and have sold what I would consider to be the 3 best ones. I know a lot of people that have sold their best cymbals for various reasons.

However, I do agree about the other comments...Mathias has a great touch for old K's, which not many people have...old K's often sound like crap in drummers' hands because they don't know how to play them. Matthias also has very high end audio and video equipment, and knows how to use them to bring out the best in a cymbal. I played his 22" old stamp before he bought it, and wasn't particularly blown away by it. But when I saw his video of it, in his hands, I wish I'd bought it after all!

-Bill

I do see your point. I can recall a friend who sold his only 22" Old K (which was very nice) because he desperately needed the money for survival. Plus he realized that he didn't need a $3000 old K to be a good musician. It's icing on the cake, but not essential. Mister T

The seller offered me the 22"s for $750 for each (he had 7!)

Obviously,I told him I was very interested!!

A few days later,he said he was offered $1,500 for them each,and did I want to "go better" on the price ?.....:mad:

BTW.....I have sold drums/K cymbals to the "seller" for over 15 years,and never have raised my prices to him after we agreed upon them!

Well, I thought once the "collector" title was added to a drummer, he would get a pass for shelving a NOS 45 year old cymbal....LOL

Yeah, I've known a few drummers that had to sell their K's for money. I've been there myself.

I do actually know the drummer that bought the 22 (wish it was me!), I'll see if I can get him to make a soundfile so that we can judge for ourselves how it sounds...

That seems to happen more and more these days...I really hate that!!!

Thanks,

Bill

Now it turns out that this seller reports that he's "found" another 2400 gram 22"intermediate stamp K. in that same "ominous box". It was purchased by an old Drummer from Montreux who visited the Istanbul factory in 1962. And this time he's sending it directly to Matt. So we can expect an update to this thread coming soon.

And the seller of this cymbal gets a pass for that very reason.

But Mat is a player/collector, so he doesn't get a pass. He must play this cymbal, otherwise he will find the "vintage cymbal police" knocking on his door.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

My son plays exactly the same way. Butt in the palm of his hand and thumb up. It is definitely not the 'proper' way to hold a stick. But it works for him. I was his first teacher, but he was playing better than me by the time he was 14. Now that he's 21, he's an accomplished musician . I quit complaining about how he holds his right stick some time a go. He never listened to me anyway :)