i'm gonna assume its an avedis Zildjian 20" medium?

i know Joe Morello used zildjians..

but i can't say for sure.

It was a 21" A. This cymbal was only recently retired by Joe who claimed that its 'played out'. (as in worn out)

????!!!! Is that even possible? To actually wear out a cymbal?

I've heard of the changes that occur at a molecular level as a cymbal is played after creation.

But is a point ever reached that it no longer produces a desired sound?

I was always under the impression that cymbals got better as they aged and were played. Never thought it possible that they could get "wrung (rung?) out".

I don't think such a thing actually happens, but some people seem to think so.

Thank you for all your replies! I was hoping it was a 21" (if it really is). I remember my favorite cymbal back in the day was a Zildjian Rock 21. I have been searching for that sound again. This recording comes close. I found a vintage 22" on the other forum that sounds really nice as well.

Keep the thoughts coming.....

Here's one from my collection that I posted before you got here:

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21" type II Large Stamp. 2450 grams.

They don't make them like this anymore that's for sure.

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[color=red]21" Avedis Large Stamp[/color]

Oh man Drumaholic! That is one sweet cymbal! Could that be the elusive Rock 21 perhaps? It has that familiar sound. I don't recall the holes in it though.

No. This one was made 20 years earlier.

Very, very nice! Have you seen one of these for sale anywhere?