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seeking advisement on "re-cutting" your edges.

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I read (possibly on this very forum) about a Rogers holiday kit that went into a studio for a recording session, the kit was a little "hacked up" and the Sound engineer was having problems getting a balanced tone between the toms, so they took them in to get the edges re-cut and that drastically improved the sound, my questions being;

1. when is this the right thing to do? (especially considering the "origionality" of a set, from a collectors standpoint, Vs. a set of player's drums that are literally " a little rough around the edges"?

2. what type of facility is required for this procedure? (who do I need to get in touch with?)

3. what is my financial damage going to look like?

I have aquired a few items that have been abused over the years (nothing to do with me) and could possibly use this kind of "TLC"

(and LASTLY a completely un-related question; would anyone here be interested if I post some of the vintage restoration projects I've been working on?...I have a HUGE, and Crazy story about a Rogers kit that I'm really itching to share, because it was such an INCREDIBLE and un-expected SCORE!!!..actually, come to think of it, theres another un-related story that isn't exaclty a happy ending, involving a vintage kit in a dumpster that would probably spark a great outcry amongst the vintage drum community.) Yes Sir

Thanks as always!

~J

"If we don't sound good, at least we can still LOOK good!"-J
Posted on 14 years ago
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From Dumpster Diver

I read (possibly on this very forum) about a Rogers holiday kit that went into a studio for a recording session, the kit was a little "hacked up" and the Sound engineer was having problems getting a balanced tone between the toms, so they took them in to get the edges re-cut and that drastically improved the sound, my questions being; 1. when is this the right thing to do? (especially considering the "origionality" of a set, from a collectors standpoint, Vs. a set of player's drums that are literally " a little rough around the edges"? 2. what type of facility is required for this procedure? (who do I need to get in touch with?) 3. what is my financial damage going to look like? I have aquired a few items that have been abused over the years (nothing to do with me) and could possibly use this kind of "TLC" (and LASTLY a completely un-related question; would anyone here be interested if I post some of the vintage restoration projects I've been working on?...I have a HUGE, and Crazy story about a Rogers kit that I'm really itching to share, because it was such an INCREDIBLE and un-expected SCORE!!!..actually, come to think of it, theres another un-related story that isn't exaclty a happy ending, involving a vintage kit in a dumpster that would probably spark a great outcry amongst the vintage drum community.) Yes Sir Thanks as always! ~J

First all, holding out on pix of projects will get you skinned 'roun these here parts...

As for edges, let's have a look at the questionable edges. Always keep in mind, no matter what, if you re-cut bearing edges on vintage drums, it almost always drops the value. That said, sometimes an unplayable drum is not ever going to sound good unless you do the drastic deed. I just take sandpaper to them and smooth them bofore ever cutting. Again, let us have a look and see what the troubles are before a tool sheddin' 'em.

Any really good cabinet shop could do the edges, if they are properly instructed via phone and photos, or with a good look at what the edges should look like. And it can be really cheap or really expensive, although it is nothing more than a router table to do it.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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let's just say that someone had a "bright" idea for a pair of mix-matched 15'' rogers toms, they decided would be better, mounted together, side-by-each like, and stripped down to concert toms and covered in a white polymer mack-tack peel with palm trees and seagulls (resembling something like the cover of Mr. Bungle' "California album)... It's nothing short sheer blasphemy I tells you, and we've all seen many such akward forms of "innocent" abuse in our time. (more like ignorant)

It looked like a drumset with an "effeminate augmentation!" (if you got me?)

oh, yeah and to add even further insult to injury, the bottom hoops and lugs are dissapeared forever into the unknown, never to reveal their fate.

I need to shoot several photos, give me a day or so to post the damage.

bringing me to my next inquiry;

who's got some Rogers lugs they can spare?, and/or an 18'' floor tom hoop?

E-mail me if you want to talk business? there's a grocery list I'm compiling as we speak, er...type.

cool, I'm going to post up a few of my "projects" for y'all!

"If we don't sound good, at least we can still LOOK good!"-J
Posted on 14 years ago
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Are you in Vermont? New Hampshire? Idaho? North Dakota?

Anyway, post in the "Wanted" section for your grocery list. That is where you will have the greatest success for parts wanted.

From Dumpster Diver

let's just say that someone had a "bright" idea for a pair of mix-matched 15'' rogers toms, they decided would be better, mounted together, side-by-each like, and stripped down to concert toms and covered in a white polymer mack-tack peel with palm trees and seagulls (resembling something like the cover of Mr. Bungle' "California album)... It's nothing short sheer blasphemy I tells you, and we've all seen many such akward forms of "innocent" abuse in our time. (more like ignorant) It looked like a drumset with an "effeminate augmentation!" (if you got me?) oh, yeah and to add even further insult to injury, the bottom hoops and lugs are dissapeared forever into the unknown, never to reveal their fate. I need to shoot several photos, give me a day or so to post the damage. bringing me to my next inquiry; who's got some Rogers lugs they can spare?, and/or an 18'' floor tom hoop?E-mail me if you want to talk business? there's a grocery list I'm compiling as we speak, er...type. cool, I'm going to post up a few of my "projects" for y'all!

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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check!

and THANKS AGAIN!

"If we don't sound good, at least we can still LOOK good!"-J
Posted on 14 years ago
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From jonnistix

First all, holding out on pix of projects will get you skinned 'roun these here parts...As for edges, let's have a look at the questionable edges. Always keep in mind, no matter what, if you re-cut bearing edges on vintage drums, it almost always drops the value. That said, sometimes an unplayable drum is not ever going to sound good unless you do the drastic deed. I just take sandpaper to them and smooth them bofore ever cutting. Again, let us have a look and see what the troubles are before a tool sheddin' 'em. Any really good cabinet shop could do the edges, if they are properly instructed via phone and photos, or with a good look at what the edges should look like. And it can be really cheap or really expensive, although it is nothing more than a router table to do it.

On re-cutting edges on vintage drums.I would have to say No,even if the drum sounds bad to the drummer or who ever..many times over the pass years i still run into drummers bringing vintage drums into the shop and asking for the edges to be re-cut so the drums sound better after talking to them and fineing out what sound they are looking for i will try new types of heads or some pieces of felt or what ever to the heads to get the sound out of the drums..Also lets say you have a 40's slingerland radio king snare drum with the value of 1,0000.00 and you re-cut the edges to me the value goes down to 500.00...Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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yeah, that's what the core of the debate should really be about, is the drum going to be "played" and need to be functional, OR say in this particular case ; A snare that has been through two world wars and the on the inside the owner has Written down all the places and dates it's been, but it's totally trashed and probably will never work right without some kind of repair job.

"If we don't sound good, at least we can still LOOK good!"-J
Posted on 14 years ago
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I still say, please post some pix, there may be another way to accomplish this without going to those drastic measures. I can make MIJ snares sound amazing, and if there is a way to do it without a router, I can maybe show you.

From Dumpster Diver

yeah, that's what the core of the debate should really be about, is the drum going to be "played" and need to be functional, OR say in this particular case ; A snare that has been through two world wars and the on the inside the owner has Written down all the places and dates it's been, but it's totally trashed and probably will never work right without some kind of repair job.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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Absolutely agree about "drastic" measures, no real need for that yet.

I guess the right way to put it would be "sharpen" or re-alighn the edges, This thing spent decdes as a concert tom, you can imagine the underside being a little bit dull to say the least, but this is the only good shot I could get to show any Real damage to the ply. There were several other areas with thumprint sized dents on the edge where it's been mashed down a bit, nothing major, but still considerable and probably going to affect the tonality on the small scale. (the other toms aren't here right now so I can't give you any shots unfortunately, but THEY actually have a few chunks torn out in the bottom edges, not too big but definetly enough to dull the resonator a little)

too hard for me to get a good image of, I tried my best, you can just see a "thumbprint" sort of mark on the edge just above the crack if you look close.

also the serial #, what can you tell me from that?

and another shot of where the bone-head decided to try and paint it a grey-ish white colour and gave up, and wrapped it in icky mack tack.

AND, I was on the phone with my friend who gave me the serial # of the kick and floor tom (the blue ones in the "dream-kit" thread) that read;

ROGERS 35568

serial no. 605222 9/72

(I didn't get the other (stained) rack tom's serial, but it's much older, the tag looks more "classic", probly 60's era)

ok well, if you need some more photos, It's easier for me to E-mail them and spend some considerable time getting better pictures for you if need be. Also would be able to send LARGER sized images too, that may be better.

Thanks!

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"If we don't sound good, at least we can still LOOK good!"-J
Posted on 14 years ago
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Yeah...First try some sandpaper, I, and I mean this, I am not a Rogers guy by any stretch, but this look like a drum that will not be hurt by having the edges worke dover a bit.

I would start with a 60 grit and work around the shell keeping as close to original contour as you possibly can. Use a sanding sponge with you 60 wrapped around it and work all the way around in a complete circle a few taimes. Using the sponge will help to keep the contour and should get the worst out. FIRST, epoxy the seperated areas and clamp them. It should not take more than an hour to get the epoxy set in place, clamp them up, then head out for some golf, or Mal-Marting...take off for a couple of hiours to let the epoxy set. THEN start the sanding. As they are, you have damaged drums, so nothing you do at this point is going to hurt, you will only be making them playable agin. After you have finished the 60 and made sure your edges are true by sitting them on a table and shining a light down to see if they are, you can now proceed to the next grit, a 100, then do the 220 to smooth them. You shouold npw have a playable drum that has kept the original integrity of the contour of the edges. You can purchase a close match to the granitone spray paint at Mal-Mart...incase you wat too go back to a more original look. Good luck, and ask if you need anything.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
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