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Ludwig Snare Drum Round Mufflers???

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I have a stamped Jan 1971 Chrome Supra Phonic 5" x 14" snare, serial number 8471##, that is missing the muffler. The large hole is on the top for the shaft on the knob to go thru the drum, with the smaller hole on the bottom, to attach the small machine slotted head bolt thru to hold the bottom of the inside bracket. Does anyone have a clear picture of a 1971 similar snare, with the muffler intact? If you do please send me a picture of it. When did Ludwig go from the small round knob to the larger round knob? Is there any correlation between the size of the knob and whether it was mounted above or below the attaching machine bolt? Thanks.

Barry (mono-plane)
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Posted on 14 years ago
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Small knob went to baseball bat in '61

Baseball bat went to large knob after '68

This according to my brand new William F Ludwig III autographed edition of Rob Cook's Ludwig Book that I received today..... getting some use out of it already !!

Kevin
Posted on 14 years ago
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From kevins

Small knob went to baseball bat in '61Baseball bat went to large knob after '68This according to my brand new William F Ludwig III autographed edition of Rob Cook's Ludwig Book that I received today..... getting some use out of it already !!

Hey Kevin,

Thanks for the info. Now how about the placement of the knob's shaft in relation to the inside bracket. My snare has the larger hole for the shaft at the top, My newer Ludwig snares (1970's Acrolite with serial number 17369##, 1979 Black Beauty with serial number 19942##) all have the knob shaft going thru the bottom hole. Does the book have any details on when that changed?

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 14 years ago
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From mono-plane

Hey Kevin,Thanks for the info. Now how about the placement of the knob's shaft in relation to the inside bracket. My snare has the larger hole for the shaft at the top, My newer Ludwig snares (1976 Acrolite, 1979 Black Beauty) all have the knob shaft going thru the bottom hole. Does the book have any details on when that changed?

It only says that there were variations, but the pictured two-hole mounting scheme is knob on top. And all my Ludwig snares that have mufflers...

64 Supra... 68 Supra..... 76 Acro..... 77 Acro...... all have knob or bat on top.

Kevin
Posted on 14 years ago
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If i recall Ludwig used the small knob muffler from 1958-59[[i had a supra tran's badge snare i just sold the muffler was small knob with,mounting screw was on top of knob..Ludwig used the small knob i say from 1958-1973 or 74..them change to the bigger knob..But the mounting screw i have seen both ways on top of knob and under the knob ia;m not sure what year they change the mounting screw from top to bottom of knob..Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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From MIKEY777

If i recall Ludwig used the small knob muffler from 1958-59[[i had a supra tran's badge snare i just sold the muffler was small knob with,mounting screw was on top of knob..Ludwig used the small knob i say from 1958-1973 or 74..them change to the bigger knob..But the mounting screw i have seen both ways on top of knob and under the knob ia;m not sure what year they change the mounting screw from top to bottom of knob..Mikey

Thanks Mikey. It's not really clear as a bell, is it? Does anyone have the larger knob muffler that is on the top with the mounting machine bolt on the bottom, for my snare, that they would sell? I need two. One of my other snares is a little newer Supra, size size, same B/O point corner badge, serial number 15436##, and it's missing the same muffler. I'm not sure why people take these things off anyway, but it's a pain in the butt restoring these snares and chasing around for parts. I have small knob (mounted in the upper hole) muffler assembly as trade bait.

Anyone with some pictures of the two different sizes of muffler knobs mounted in the upper position?

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 14 years ago
#6
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From mono-plane

Thanks Mikey. It's not really clear as a bell, is it? Does anyone have the larger knob muffler that is on the top with the mounting machine bolt on the bottom, for my snare, that they would sell? I need two. One of my other snares is a little newer Supra, size size, same B/O point corner badge, serial number 15436##, and it's missing the same muffler. I'm not sure why people take these things off anyway, but it's a pain in the butt restoring these snares and chasing around for parts. I have small knob (mounted in the upper hole) muffler assembly as trade bait.Anyone with some pictures of the two different sizes of muffler knobs mounted in the upper position?

I may have both of the mufflers you need with the mounting screw on bottom of knob..i will know later today the one's i have maybe sold ia'm just waiting to hear from the guy if he wants them...Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
#7
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Sounds good Mikey. Please advise once you know for sure.

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 14 years ago
#8
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I have one muffler that you need..P.M. sent..Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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From MIKEY777

I have one muffler that you need..P.M. sent..Mikey

OK Mikey. I just checked my PM's and haven't received the PM yet.

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 14 years ago
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