That is a "copy" of the dual tension microsenssitive, and it works nicely to eliminate buzz from the snare wires. You can set them really low for an almost parallel strainer type of trow off if you use the med wgt snare side head, and it really is noce for getting a perfect tune on your snare.
Star drums made by pearl in the 60s used that snare strainer set up on many Pearl made drums i have seen it on about 20 or so names made Pearl..Mikey
Thanks for the insights guys! Couple more questions for you guys:What is this "Ringo Hi-Hat" you mentioned earlier Jonni?Also, what year do you think they were made?Thanks again for all the help and insight so far!-Adam
I think the "Ringo h-h" you are asking about is a flat base model like Ludwig had out in the 60s..Also i would date the drums 1966-1970..Pearl used these type of lugs on about 15 or so names made by them...I think the shells on the set are 9 ply with-out rings if that is the case that would date them 1970 if they are 4-6 ply shells then 1966-69..I hope you get the set it will be a cool sonding set with alittle work to the edges...Mikey
Star drums made by pearl in the 60s used that snare strainer set up on many Pearl made drums i have seen it on about 20 or so names made Pearl.. Pearl used these type of lugs on about 15 or so names made by them...Mikey
Mikey, are you saying that this is a Pearl made set? Are you saying that all the drums that we have been identifying as Star made were actually made by Pearl? You realize that this would mean that Pearl was the only Japanese drum manufacturer exporting drums until Yamaha and Hoshino came along, right?
Mikey, are you saying that this is a Pearl made set? Are you saying that all the drums that we have been identifying as Star made were actually made by Pearl? You realize that this would mean that Pearl was the only Japanese drum manufacturer exporting drums until Yamaha and Hoshino came along, right?
Yes ,Star drums are made by Pearl.Pearl was the first ones to Export drums in the U.S--check my posting about pearl drums Mr.Cooper of Cooper drums started the whole thing in the 60s inporting drums made by Pearl under many names.Before Pearl badge drums came out in the mid 60s-Hoshino started to export drums to the U.S after Pearl did if i recall right 1965-66.Yamaha named drums came after that.So yes pearl was the first one to export drums to the U.S. Mikey
Mikey, I dont doubt that Pearl was the first company to export drums to the US, but are you saying that Pearl made all of the stencil drums with the black oval badges that say "World's Supreme Quality?" If this is so, why are the quality and designs of the Slingerland copy lugs different? Are you saying there was no Star company? (the company that would later become Tama?) that Star was just another stencil badge name?
*Edit: I have found these links to be helpful,
http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/topic/12820-sorting-the-stencils-project/
Star is not a Pearl line, they were seperate manufacturers. Star is the company that would later become TAMA, they are not related.
The "Ringo" Hi-Hat is a Ludwig model. Many retailers would offer an upgrade hardware package from the MIJ stuff, and my son's Majestics came with the flat base equipment. All Ludwig, for the more serious player. This kit was played all over Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas by the 2nd owner, who dragged them all over, to many bars and honky tonks. He bought them from the original owner in 1970 as a complete kit. Over the years, one of the 12" toms was dropped hard and cracked the bottom edge of the tom. Rather than attempt a repair he knew not how to do, he just played it that way for the next 20+ years. He retired from the road in 2005 and passed away in 2008.
I purchased the kit from his son/grandson who had stored them willy-nilly in a nasty shed, unprotected. They had no idea what the cymbals or anything else were, nor did they care.
Anyway, as for the date, I say somewhere around 68-70 because of the wrap. They would have been a copy of a Gretsch, and maybe a Hollywood, Ludwig style. Early Hollywood sets had 2 12s. There is a member here, can't recall who it is, told in another post that he has a kit from that era with the 2-12s and I assume this was the way they intended it to be, but with a nod to Gretsch with the wrap and jazz sizes. It confuses me why the distributor would go for a look like this, mixing styles and sizes, but it is all original to the set up. Hope you get them cleaned up nicely, and don't forget, document the process.
How come no one ever drills swiss cheese style on old MIJ, and we find Ludwigs poked like a high school.....nevermind....not a good simile...
Lets get to the bottom of this! Tama or Pearl? I was always under the impression that Star was Tama (part of the reason that all the Tama stuff later had "Star" in every series name) and that the others were Pearl. Keep in mind I am new to this and that is why I am asking for help.
My world just got flipped upside down. Mikey, this seems contrary to all the info on this site. I am confused, but really want to hear what you guys have to say!
-Ad
And the wheels on the bus go round and roundguitar3
Mikey777 is joking. He tries to play an April Fool's joke on us. (Nice idea - Mikey777 LoLoLoLo)
Star NEVER was an early Pearl. All information I 've found here or anywhere else in the world are contradictionary to stating Star = early Pearl's.
TAMA itself states on it's forum website: 'Discussions on Star Drums...Tama's Predecessor.'
TAMA itself states on the TAMA catalogs website it's early STAR catalogs.
(Pearl never would allow TAMA to claim the STAR roots, if it were Pearl's, due to copyright etc., right?)
Ralf
If so, Nice April fools joke Mikey!
Hmmmm
By the way David was kind enough to change my user ID to avoid my posts coming up when google searching my name. SO from now on, this is me!
Thanks David!
-Adam
